Unicode Technical Committee Meeting #61 Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA Thursday, June 2, 1994, 9:20 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Attendees: Chair: Mike Kernaghan Scribe: Scribe: Steve Greenfield Representatives from Corporate Member Companies: John McConnell, Apple Computer, Inc. Mike Ksar, Hewlett-Packard Company Jon Bale, Hewlett-Packard Company Michael Weiss, Hewlett-Packard Company John Gioia, IBM Corporation Lisa Moore, IBM Corporation Alan Griffee, IBM Corporation Joe Ross, IBM Corporation Ed Batutis, Lotus Development Corporation David Gullardo, Lotus Development Corporation Asmus Freytag, Microsoft Corporation Rick McGowan, NeXT Computer, Inc. Lloyd Honomichl, Novell, Inc. Joan Aliprand, RLG, Inc. Sandy Rockowitz, RLG, Inc. Mark Davis, Taligent, Inc. John Jenkins, Taligent, Inc. Arnold Winkler, Unisys Corporation Stuart Smith, WordPerfect Corporation Representatives from Associate Member Companies: Ed Hart, Share, Inc. (also Chair of X3L2) John Bennett, Gain Technology, Inc. (Sybase, Inc. Subsidiary) Individual Member: James Caldwell, Pacific Rim Technologies, Inc. Liaison Member: James Do, Mentor Graphics Corporation Apologies: Tim Greenwood, Digital Equipment Corporation No representative from Corporate Member Companies: Symantec Corporation Ed Hart, Chairman of X3L2, thanked the Consortium for extending an invitation to X3L2 members. Mike Kernaghan, on behalf of the UTC, thanked John McConnell for arranging for the Apple facilities. Let the Minutes Show that: Minutes of UTC #59 (Open Minutes) were approved as amended. Vote: Unanimous Minutes of UTC #60 (Open Minutes) were approved as amended. Vote: Unanimous Action Item #1-Steve Greenfield: Steve Greenfield is to send out the Closed Caucus Minutes to corporate members only. Document Registration: UTC61-94-004 UTC #61 Agenda UTC61-94-005A UTC #59 Closed Caucus Minutes (Full Members Only) UTC61-94-005B UTC #59 Proper Minutes (Open Minutes) UTC61-94-006A UTC #60 Closed Caucus Minutes (Full Members Only) UTC61-94-006B UTC #60 Proper Minutes (Open Minutes) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 N1034 SC2/WG2 Resolutions, Meeting #25 UTC61-94-007 Handling Non-Spacing Marks IRG NO83 Draft Agenda-Beginning Meeting IRG N080 IRG-Resolution-Hanoi Meeting UTC61-94-008 Addition Chars Proposals, IBM UTC61-94-009 Fujitsu Documents: Comparison of Unicode with... UTC61-94-010 Article (s) from Korean Magazine UTC61-94-011 4516 Private Use Hangul Chars. UTC61-94-012 Letter of Permission UTC61-94-013 Unicode Logo License Agreement UTC61-94-014 Guide on Use of Unicode Trademark UTC61-94-015 Proposal on Logo Program -- working document UTC61-94-016 Implementation Guidelines Action Item #2-Mark Davis, Steve Greenfield: Mark Davis is to draft the exact wording in regards to Gamma Entry in Open Minutes of UTC #59 and send it to Steve Greenfield for entry in official Minutes. Action Item #3-Steve Greenfield: Steve Greenfield is to incorporate all changes to Open Minutes of UTC #59 and UTC #60 before distributing them to membership via e-mail on Friday, June 13, 1994. Membership Status: Steve Greenfield reported that the Associate Member Roster includes DCA (Renewal), Folio (New), Adobe (Returning). There are now 75 Individual Members. Individual Membership is increasing daily due to brochures and trade shows. Symantec has not yet appointed a representative to the UTC, despite repeated attempts from the Office Manager. Joan Aliprand was able to schedule the meeting that had been requested by MDIS during her trip to Europe. Her presentation was well received, and MDIS expressed interest in Associate Membership. Action Item #4-Steve Greenfield, Rick McGowan: Open Minutes are to be distributed to the "minutes@unicode.org" distribution list (Minutes DL), not to the Unicore or Unicode DL's. Steve is to check with Rick McGowan on the status of this list. To ensure that members have received past minutes, all Open Minutes from UTC #53 to the present are to be sent to the Minutes DL. Standing Action Item-Steve Greenfield: Steve Greenfield is to send the draft minutes out within two weeks of actual UTC, so that corrections may be obtained while memories are still fresh. Relationship with AFII: Al Griffee asked for definition of the relationship of AFII and the Unicode Consortium. Mike Kernaghan responded that AFII should be talking to the Officers as well as the UTC. The Consortium supports working together with many different standards organizations. Mark Davis commented that we need to explore what this means in practice, i.e., liaison status or something else, and noted that liaison status is already provided for within the Consortium's organization. Al Griffee made it clear that the relationship with AFII (particularly use of AFII fonts) would be for the Consortium as a business unit, and not for use of individual member companies. The Officers will continue discussions with AFII. Workshop #5: Mike Kernaghan gave a brief synopsis of UIW #5 (held in Tokyo on April 11 & 12). The purpose of this UIW was to increase acceptance of the Unicode Standard in Japan. Very Successful. Interesting topics covered, good speakers, excellent facilities. 104 attendees. Excellent press interviews. At the Reception, Professor Shibano, leader of 10 character encoding committees in Japan, gave an impromptu speech. This Workshop was an important strategic event, particularly the demos of six different Unicode Implementations which were real proof. A press release on the Workshop emphasizing increasing acceptance of the Unicode Standard was distributed on April 27. Let the Minutes show that: The Officers tender public thanks to Apple, Microsoft, and Novell for their efforts and contributions. WG2 will be hosted in Cupertino, California at Taligent on October 10-13, 1994. Ed Hart suggested that some short demonstrations of Unicode-based products (similar to the UIW #5 demonstrations) would help increase acceptance of the Standard. Action Item #5-the Officers: Consult with Mike Ksar to schedule demonstrations. Additions to the Catalogue: Action Item #5-All Members: Send information on new Unicode-based products to Steve Greenfield. Products must be in Beta test. Send news about not just your company's products, but third-party products as well. Action Item #6-Steve Greenfield: Periodically send out the Catalogue via e-mail. Asmus Freytag will be the driving engine for this action item. Also make the Catalogue available on the FTP Site. Action Item #7-Steve Greenfield: Notify Asmus Freytag, in advance, about mailings, etc. that affect the Unicode Consortium's public image. If any new materials are to be sent out, Steve is to make sure that Asmus Freytag, as Vice President-Marketing, is contacted about the target audience and Asmus is to see a sample of the material before it is sent out. Calendar in Review: UTC #62 to be hosted by IBM - Toronto on Thursday, Sept. 29 & 30, 1994. Thursday, September 29, 1994 will be for SC work: Editorial & Implementation SC propose to meet. UTC #63 will be hosted by Apple on Dec. 1 & 2, 1994. Borland will be co-sponsor. Borland had offered to host UTC #63 in Scotts Valley, but Cupertino was considered a more convenient location. X3L2 will be on Dec. 5 &6, 1994. WG2 will be on Oct. 10-13, 1994. WG3 will be Oct. 7, 1994. Friday. SC22/WG20 will be October 3-6, 1994 SC2/WG2 will be hosted in Finland on June FAQ Status: Joan Aliprand reported that editing of the FAQ text was sidelined by work on the UIW #5 and UIW #6. Review process is underway, but volunteers are being looked for. Action Item #8-Joan Aliprand: Send draft FAQ answers out to the Unicore DL for a review period, and solicit volunteers for FAQs that do not yet have answers. Mark Davis, Asmus Freytag volunteered to review all FAQs, John Bennett would review anything on Compression, Stuart Smith will also help with review. Mike Kernaghan would like to be able to distribute FAQs at UIW #6. Steve Greenfield is to also add the completed FAQs to any future Info Packets. They will also be placed on the FTP Site. A compilation of FAQs may also be a future Technical Report. Scripts & Symbols-Rick McGowan, Chair: Mike Kernaghan said that the development of new scripts is a multi-year process, and asked: What can we do to cultivate some of the other scripts? Rick McGowan has many hot contacts. He called for volunteers to act as a source of Unicode expertise for the experts on the scripts. The Unicode expert does not have to know about the script itself. A student at Brown University will present a paper on a preliminary encoding for Egyptian hieroglyphics in July at a scholarly conference on Egyptology. Rick reviewed his paper. Asmus Freytag said that Canada is driving North American aboriginal scripts (e.g., Cree) in ISO. Al Griffee said that the Canadian group has requested registration of 750 glyphs, which are to be delivered in soft-copy form. Action item #9-John Gioia: Report on status of the Canadian work at UTC in Toronto. The three scripts in best shape (after the "Big 6") are Cherokee, Syriac, and Cree. The "Big 6" scripts -- Burmese, Ethiopian, Khmer, Mongolian, Sinhala, Tibetan -- are being edited. John Jenkins reminded RLG that review of the Han cross-mapping for EACC is still an open action item. Rick McGowan is collector of miscellaneous characters; Asmus Freytag collects symbols. Logo Program Status; There is an urgent need for an established logo program. The Consortium has been receiving inquiries about use of the logo. There has also been a case of use of the logo without permission. We need to have a logo program in place so we can enforce out rights. UTC61-94-015 is a working document on licensing of the logo by companies for use on their products, and outlines four levels. Level 1 (for non-commercial use in articles, etc.): Has already been approved by the Officers The draft text of a letter of permission to use the logo in this way was distributed (UTC61-94-012). Level 2: In the user interface of a software product supporting the Unicode Standard. Level 3: In product announcements, packaging, etc. as per the License Agreement. Level 4: Requires more detailed study, since it would entails stricter conditions, and an outside specialist firm. This level would have the highest cost, and requires time, effort, and asset investment. The Office Manager will be responsible for management of the logo licensing, e.g., processing applications for logo use, and tracking duration of licenses. Level 1 has separate permission and no charge. Levels 2-4 will have administrative fees to recover the Consortium's costs, both direct (e.g., Steve's time) and indirect (e.g., trademark registration). John Gioia asked why a time limit was necessary. Asmus Freytag replied that it was to protect our rights. For example, without a time limit, a company could use the logo indefinitely on revisions that were identified as incremental (i.e., not new versions). John Gioia proposed that logo use should be free to Corporate Members. Action Item #10-Officers: The Officers are charged with discussing the benefits of Corporate Membership and the Logo fees and reporting back to the UTC. It was decided that shareware would be subject to the same logo rules. Al Griffee asked about the requirement to provide a copy of the product. This may be a hardship to both the vendor and the Consortium in the case of a product with extensive documentation. Mike Ksar asked about the case where specialized hardware was required for the product. John Gioia asked about software distributed electronically. [Note that Exhibit C provides for the return of a sample at vendor request.] Asmus Freytag said that research needs to be done for hardware-based use of the logo. The "hardship case" of needs to be addressed. Let the Minutes show that: An Ad Hoc group of not more than 10 people are to do the ground work on levels 2 and 3, and make recommendations to the Officers by July 15, 1994. (Motion proposed by Lloyd Honomichl, seconded by Asmus Freytag.) Vote: Unanimously approved. The date of July 15 was set so that the logo program could be announced at UIW#6. In the discussion on the motion, Lloyd Honomichl pointed out that the Ad Hoc Committee could return to the UTC if they found a serious problem. The products in the Catalogue provide a test bed for identifying potential problems. Action Item #11-Asmus Freytag: Asmus Freytag is to send out a message to "unicorps" asking for volunteers for this Ad Hoc committee. Action Item #12-Ad Hoc Committee: Provide precise language of any proposed amendments to logo licensing documents. X3L2 Membership: Lloyd Honomichl was the Unicode, Inc. representative at the Salt Lake City meeting. He cannot participate on a regular enough basis: X3L2 requires attendance at 2 out of 3 meetings. Joan Aliprand will check whether the RLG representative is willing to represent the Consortium as well (Karen Smith-Yoshimura is principal; Joan is alternate). Asmus Freytag also volunteered. There is also the question of whether an individual can represent more than one X3L2 member organization. RLG's representative will be principal representative for Unicode, Inc., and Asmus Freytag will be alternate contingent on their companies' agreement, and X3L2 regulations. Vote was unanimous. UIW SC-Lloyd Honomichl, Chair: Mike Kernaghan presented Lloyd with a World Clock in appreciation for his work on UIW #5. Asmus Freytag distributed the UIW #6 brochure to those who had placed an order. Brochures are available from Steve Greenfield at the Unicode Office. Asmus Freytag and other members of the Marketing SC have posted an announcement about the Workshop to a selected group of listservs and newsgroups. If you wish to post the announcement to your favorite listserv or news group, a personal note explaining why the UIW is relevant to the group will make the announcement more effective. Asmus Freytag is keeping a master list of where the announcement has been posted, so please let him know where you have posted it. Do not post the announcement blindly: if in doubt about whether the announcement has been posted to a particular listserv or news group, please ask Asmus. (All the obvious listservs, e.g., ISO10646, have been covered.) Action Item #13-Officers: Obtain a keynote speaker for UIW #6. Vice President Gore was suggested as a possibility: Steve Greenfield said his e-mail address is "vice_president@whitehouse.gov". UIW #6 will focus more on implementation rather than on orientation to the Standard. Tutorial will be optional, and part of a track. Sponsorship is being sought for various aspects of the UIW, e.g., the reception. The UIW SC already has offers of 24 solid papers. June 10 is deadline for proposals for papers; the review process will be for five weeks, with final versions due in August. Mark Davis (speaking as a Taligent employee) volunteered a paper on collation. Demos will be presented on the first day in the evening (as at UIW #5). July 15 is the deadline for companies to arrange for demos of their products. Barcos will be the only projection machine to be used at UIW #6 (based on experience). Implementation SC, John Gioia, Chair: "Implementation Guidelines" (UTC61-94-0016) is a first draft. John Gioia took this project over from Frank Rojas and would like feedback on the direction of the project, and the contents of the draft. WG2 Information: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 N1034, SC2/WG2 Resolutions, Meeting #25 are the notes from the WG2 meeting in Turkey. An updated version will be distributed at a later date. "UTF-16" is the new name of UCS-2e. Hart expressed a preference for "UCS-2e,"since it is really an alternative to UCS-2 and UCS-4, and this view was generally supported by the UTC. The only UTFs that are currently being discussed by WG2 is UTF-8. UTF-16 has been referred back to national bodies for discussion. The UTC is prepared to accept UTF-16 as it comes out of WG2, but will supply comments on how to handle it better. Action Item #14-Mark Davis: Davis is to supply a copy of UTF-8 code for posting at the FTP Site. Editorial SC, Mark Davis, Chair: Mark Davis said that the Officers are close to signing a contract with Glenn Adams for the new consolidated edition of "The Unicode Standard." Inclusion of the mapping tables in the consolidated edition was debated. A straw vote was taken concerning exclusion of all the mapping tables. The Vote was 10 for, 1 against, 2 absent, 0 abstain. It was also suggested that the mapping tables could be excluded from the consolidated edition, but published in hard copy as a Technical Report. Distinction was also drawn between tables of attributes (e.g., numeric), and mappings to external standards. Let the Minutes Show: Asmus Freytag is strongly against the exclusion of the mapping tables from the consolidated edition. Mark Davis and Rick McGowan have compiled a Unified Character Properties Table, incorporating all the properties published in vol. 1, vol. 2, and UTR#4, as well as IsLetter. The table has been through an initial review. Mark proposed that the table be put *as a draft* at the FTP Site for comment, and also made available on diskette. The proposal was approved by consensus. Review comments should be sent to Rick McGowan before the next UTC. Action Item #15-Mark Davis; Rick McGowan: Announcement on the mapping tables draft to be sent out on "unicode" by Mark Davis and Rick McGowan. IBM Proposal for Additional Characters: John Gioia proposed the addition of a number of new characters that IBM needs (UTC61- 94-008). Discussion centered on how to go about proposing new characters and getting them included in Unicode/ISO 10646. It was noted that bringing characters to the UTC for addition is one avenue, but does not guarantee that they will be added to ISO 10646. Ksar said that any proposal should be in accordance with ISO procedures. Freytag said that we want member companies to approach the UTC first. With respect to the proposed characters, Mark Davis said that we could only assign them temporarily to the Private Use Area (corporate part). IBM could seek approval of the UTC, and its endorsement re WG2 deliberations. John Gioia said that IBM prefers not to use the Private Use Area for these characters. In response to a question, Mark Davis said there is no set schedule for additions to ISO 10646. The APL characters are being proposed for compatibility: the list is from NLS Canada. Mike Ksar noted that APL characters were withdrawn from ISO 10646, and were replaced by a set recommended by the international committee for APL. Rick McGowan observed that the repertoire in Table 1 (in the IBM document) can be encoded with composed character sequences. Action Item #16-John Gioia Supply more information to justify the characters (not just from IBM's perspective, but generally). Architecture SC, Mark Davis, Chair: Mark Davis proposed that his paper "Strategies for Handling Non-Spacing Marks" be approved for publication as a Unicode Technical Report. (Mark Davis proposed, Lloyd Honomichl seconded). Various editorial changes and a few additions were proposed during the discussion of the motion. Mark Davis will incorporate them. Let the Minutes Show that: "Strategies for Handling Non-Spacing Marks" will be submitted to the Officers for approval as UTR #5 after inclusion of all comments. Approval is required before July 15, if this UTR is to be available at UIW #6. EASC, John Jenkins, Chair: IRG synopsis in the latest issue of "EnCoding." Mapping tables are now done and on the FTP Site. Action Item #17-John Jenkins, Tim Greenwood: John Jenkins is to contact Tim Greenwood about a reliable CNS-Big5 mapping table. Action Item #18-Joan Aliprand Can RLG supply John Jenkins with the 500 or so non-EACC ideographs by the end of June at the latest. John wants to check them against unified Han and submit any missing ones to the IRG. Fujitsu Paper: FMR is Fujitsu PC Architecture. Jim Caldwell brought up Monotype assistance with Han characters. Mark Davis said that, ideally, the Consortium is looking for TrueType or Type 1 outline fonts. Monotype has traditional and simplified fonts. Action Item #19-Jim Caldwell: Put Monotype in touch with John Jenkins. Korean Hangul: Asmus Freytag spoke about the inclusion of the remaining Korean Hangul in the main space of the BMP. They are currently encoded in the Private Use area. Action Item #20-Asmus Freytag: Put his presentation in writing and sent it to members before the next UTC. This will allow members to distribute throughout their companies for feedback. Action Item #21-All Members: Consult with Korean subsidiaries and contacts re opinion in Korea, to make sure we are not hearing just one side. Action Item #22-Asmus Freytag: He is also to invite a representative of the Korean WG2 group to the next UTC in Toronto. Meeting adjourned at 5:40 p.m.