Dear Member: These are the draft Minutes of UTC #63. Approval of them will be on the agenda of UTC #64 (scheduled for March 10, 1995 in Cupertino). If you have any corrections, please send them to Steve Greenfield. Steve and I did not meet the deadline for: > *** Action Item #1-Joan Aliprand and Steve Greenfield: *** > Minutes are to be done and distributed by Dec. 14, 1994. because we were both involved with preparations for the Board meeting (held January 20) which took priority. I have ignored this action item: > *** Action Item #4-Steve Greenfield: *** > To help in a quicker review period and turnaround, draft minutes are to > be sent out only to those involved in the actual UTC. because it's easier for me to send to the "minutes" dl. There were certain points where the wording needed verification: in these cases, Steve contacted the people involved, and the revised wording has been incorporated. -- Joan Aliprand Secretary =========================================================================== Unicode Technical Committee Meeting #63 Thursday, December 1, 1994 Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA Chair: Mike Kernaghan Vice-Chair: None Secretary: Joan Aliprand Scribe: Steve Greenfield Attendees: Corporate Members: John McConnell, Apple Computer, Inc., "jmcc@apple.com" Tim Greenwood, Digital Equipment Corp., "greenwood@r2me2.dec.com" Jon Bale, Hewlett-Packard Co., "jon_bale@hpg200.desk.hp.com" Shane Konsella, Hewlett-Packard Co., "skonsell@hpbs669.boi.hp.com" John Gioia, IBM Corp., "gioia@vnet.ibm.com" Gary Miller, IBM Corp., "g.miller@ibm.com" Lisa Moore, IBM Corp., "lisam@vnet.ibm.com" Ed Batutis, Lotus Development Corp., "ebatutis@lotus.com" Lloyd Honomichl, Novell Inc., "lloyd_honomichl@novell.com" Joan Aliprand, RLG, "br.jma@rlg.stanford.edu" John Jenkins, Taligent, Inc. "john_jenkins@taligent.com" Arnold Winkler, Unisys Corp., "awinkler@po3.bb.unisys.com" Mike Ksar had provided a proxy notification to allow Shane Konsella to vote for Hewlett- Packard should Jon Bale (Alternate representative for Hewlett-Packard) be absent. Associate Members: Ken Whistler, Sybase, Inc. "kenw@sybase.com" Individual Members: Ed Hart, John Hopkins University, "edwin.hart@jhuapl.edu" Officers: Joe Becker, Xerox Corp., "becker.osbu_north@xerox.com" Liaison: N/A Unicode Office Manager: Steve Greenfield, Unicode, Inc., "unicode-inc@unicode.org" ============================================================ The meeting was called to order at 10:50 a.m. Document Registration: UTC63-94-031 Agenda UTC63-94-032 UTC #62 Minutes UTC63-94-033 Implementation...:Draft 1 UTC63-94-034 Use of Unicode Characters as Identifiers in Programming... Approval of the Minutes from UTC #62 was moved by John Jenkins, seconded by Arnold Winkler. No amendments to the Minutes were requested. Motion approved unanimously. Tim Greenwood and John Jenkins were thanked for supplying their own notes for incorporation into the Minutes for UTC #62 , which ensured that the record of the discussion on Korean was a complete and accurate as possible. Ed Hart appreciated how the detail and completeness of the reporting on the Korean discussion in the Minutes of UTC #62. *** Action Item #1-Joan Aliprand and Steve Greenfield: *** Minutes are to be done and distributed by Dec. 14, 1994. *** Action Item #2-Steve Greenfield: *** Send out a list of any recent articles that have appeared. Provide copies to members only upon request. Membership and the Mailing Lists: --------------------------------- The distribution lists and their relationships are: * Unicode dl is a public access list. Anybody who has ever requested to be kept informed on the Unicode Standard and its progress has been allowed to join this distribution list. * Unicore dl is for Corporate and Associate Member representatives, Individual Members, and invited technical experts. It was originally designed to help the membership keep informed on the technical aspects that have been discussed in the UTC. There are also members-only lists. *** Action Item #3-Steve Greenfield: *** Include information on the Distribution lists at the back of each UTC agenda (with the calendar information, etc.). Information on the Distribution lists is also to be sent out annually to Members. *** Action Item #4-Steve Greenfield: *** To help in a quicker review period and turnaround, draft minutes are to be sent out only to those involved in the actual UTC. Calendar in Review: ------------------- UTC #64 will be on March 10, 1995 and will be hosted by Taligent (Cupertino, CA). UTC #65 will be on June 2, 1995 in the Bay area; either at Microsoft or Novell. *** Action Item #5-Lloyd Honomichl, Mike Kernaghan: *** Lloyd and Mike are to find out whether their companies are willing to host UTC #65 and let Steve Greenfield know. UTC #66 will be hosted by Lotus (Cambridge, MA) on Friday, September 29, 1995. UTC #67 will be held either on Thursday, November 30, 1995, or Friday, December 1, 1995 (dependent on co-location arrangements with X3L2) in the Bay Area. Host company has not yet been identified. Status of FAQ and WWW: ---------------------- FAQ answers have been sent out to Officers DL, but will now be moved on to "unicore" before posting. The FAQ has not been announced to the world, yet, but will be made available after review. Comments are needed from members to help in completion of this task. *** Action Item #6-Joan Aliprand: *** Joan is to send out the FAQ that will be included on the WWW to "unicore" for member review. *** Action Item #7-All Membership: *** Membership is to offer their comments and critiques to Joan to help in completion of this task. *** Action Item #8-Tim Greenwood, Rick McGowan, and Glenn Adams: *** Tim and Rick have volunteered to investigate setting up a WWW site with the address unicode.org. They will also work with Glenn Adams. Rick is also willing to put a pointer from "unicode.org" to the actual location of the server for the Unicode Home Page. Glenn needs to make a commitment to maintain and update the Web Page information. WG2 Meeting Report: ------------------- Arnold Winkler and Joan Aliprand (who were delegates at the WG2 meeting on October) reported. Much of the work at this time was handling defect reports: editorial, technical, or mixed. A standardized procedure and form for submission of codepoint additions was established. Chair Mike Ksar urged delegates to make sure their countries voted on the PDAM proposals. Many countries had not yet voted on the PDAMs, but had meetings scheduled prior to the ballot deadline where they were to be discussed. IRG proposals were accepted. Addition of fifth column for Vietnamese was agreed upon in WG2. The examples of a five-column layout which Peter Edberg (Apple Computer, Inc.) created overnight were critical to achieving approval. Korean delegates made no proposal regarding the addition of the missing hangul. Status of Logo Program: ----------------------- At their 1994 meeting, the Board of Directors approved a light weight program. The license agreement has been approved by our lawyers. Steve Greenfield will send a letter outlining application procedures in response to inquiries. Information supplied by the applicant will be review by the Officers. If the application is approved and the applicant agrees to the terms of the license agreement, the applicant may use the logo for two years (the Officers consider this to be the average product life cycle). At the end of two years, if the product is still on the market, the company must renew the license. *** Action Item #9-Joan Aliprand: *** Report on the cost for corporate members for processing paper work. Editorial SC: ------------- *** Action Item #10-Asmus Freytag and Mike Kernaghan: *** Notify members of the deadline for submission of material for the CD-ROM which is to accompany Version 2.0. *** Action Item #11-Mark Davis: *** Send out a schedule for the book, a schedule for the CD-ROM, and what preferred form submissions will be allow for the inclusion of contents for CD. (Sender of submission is to receive a confirmation that item has been received.) Draft of Chapters 1-3 was distributed. Architectural SC: ----------------- *** Action Item #12-- All members: *** Updates to character properties should be sent to Rick McGowan. *** Action Item #13-Steve Greenfield: *** Contact Mark Davis to obtain a status report on the Version 2.0 project, to be sent to membership. Scripts & Symbols SC: --------------------- Big 6 scripts are Burmese, Ethiopic, Khmer, Mongolian, Sinhala, and Tibetan. The initial proposals were published in Unicode Technical Reports #1 and #2 (which may be ordered from the Unicode Office). Status of Big 6: Burmese: OK Ethiopic: OK. The character repertoire for Ethiopic will be replaced by that developed by the study group before the publication of Version 1.0. Khmer: OK Mongolian: As Mongolian is actively being worked on in Mongolia, we should defer inclusion of this, both in Version 2.0 and in any proposal to ISO. Sinhala: OK, but we should follow the National Standard, with a few additions from us. Tibetan: OK. The few contentious issues should be resolved by the middle of January. We need to add a rule for Stacking. *** Action Item #14-Rick McGowan: *** Rick is to produce two 30-day letter ballots, to be voted on in the first part of the year, so that these additions can be submitted to WG2 for consideration at its April meeting: * Ballot 1: To approve the above scripts. * Ballot 2: Other scripts or script augmentation of importance to the Consortium members. *** Action Item #15-John Gioia and Rick McGowan: *** John and Rick are to work on the Canadian proposal on aboriginal scripts (Inuktitut and others) so that it can be submitted to the membership for voting by next UTC. *** Action Item #16-Lloyd Honomichl: *** Lloyd is to work on the wording for the submission of future codepoint allotment to ISO. It is to be worded diplomatically, but also to be strong. The wording surrounding the codepoints and the relationship with ISO 10646 must be included in the letter ballots to membership. Arnold Winkler recommends that our reasoning should be communicated to WG2 members to give them time to familiarize themselves with it, and to "think it through." Joe Becker recommended that we include an account of the history of the development of our proposals included to encourage adoption of the proposals (i.e., list the parties involved, and describe our efforts to obtain worldwide participation). Known additional character proposals include: * Gluer proposed by Gamma Productions, and its antithesis, a non-gluer; * A "stacker" for Tibetan. * Additional symbols identified by IBM. IBM has withdrawn its proposal for additional APL characters. *** Proposal #1: *** Rick McGowan proposed a new Tibetan Stacker character, which will have semantic implications solely for Tibetan, and will not have any semantic implications on any other script. Motion to approve the proposal was moved by John Jenkins of Taligent, seconded by Lloyd Honomichl. Vote was: 8 approve, 0 opposed, 2 abstentions. Motion passed. Gluer / Non-Gluer issue will be discussed at a future date. *** Action Item #17-John Gioia and Rick McGowan: *** John Gioia is to send Rick McGowan an e-mail about IBM's proposal for additional characters to help in clarifying what chars are to be included. *** Action Item #18-John Gioia: *** Put together a detailed proposal for IBM's symbols (including justification/documentation). *** Action Item #19-Steve Greenfield: *** Allocate a time slot on the next UTC Agenda for this proposal. UIW SC: ------- Lloyd Honomichl had nothing to report. Mike Kernaghan said that the Officers are looking into a new administrative organization for Unicode Implementers' Workshops, with the Workshops totally organized by a for-profit conference organization firm. The only involvement by the Consortium would be the use of our name and logo, and editorial control over presented papers and other technical content. East Asian SC: -------------- John Jenkins reported that there has been no recent IRG activity. He asked for volunteers to attend the next IRG meeting, to be held in Taipei, Feb. 27 - Mar. 3, 1995. *** Action Item #20-John Jenkins: *** Ask Glenn Adams if he will be able to attend this meeting. *** Action Item #21-John McConnell: *** Ask Rick Myers if he would be able to attend. If Rick can attend, John is to let John Jenkins and Mike Kernaghan know. Status of Mapping Tables: ------------------------- Cora Chang is going over proposals that have been made to the IRG. She is doing the first pass of proposals to IRG. Hopefully by next meeting, she will have finished this task. *** Action Item #22-John Jenkins and Rick McGowan: *** Rick is to send John e-mail containing instructions on what he would like to have done with the mapping tables that we have from the original Volume 1. John is to have Cora go over them and verify their accuracy. Korean Issue: ------------- Joan Aliprand summarized the discussion at UTC #62. S.G. Hong replied that he could not personally provide the cost benefit analysis that the UTC had requested. He had forwarded it on to Microsoft management. Since the requested information had not been provided, the UTC was unable to come to closure on this issue. The business case for the addition of the missing characters has to be made to alleviate the anticipated negative reaction that will result from a proposal to add them. The UTC is willing to cooperate, but needs the information before it can act. *** Action Item #23-Joan Aliprand *** Contact T.J. Kang. Reiterate UTC support of the Korean discussion but express the UTC's preference to see it elevated to the WG2 level so that it may be discussed in Geneva during WG2's April meeting. Implementation SC: ------------------ The current draft on the implementation of the Unicode Standard was distributed (UTC63- 94-033). John asked for UTC members to review it; in particular, to offer advice on how this document could be made more dynamic. He would also like other members contribute information on other platforms and systems, to give the publication greater use to the reader. John would also like to set up a work group that would be for low level programming to help in setting up a list of services that are a common ground for all vendors. e.g.: a common API, not necessarily the *only* way. *** Action Item #24-All UTC Members: *** Review this document, and provide contributions on implementation issues in your company's products. Company-specific information does not have to be extensive. *** Action Item #25-John Gioia: *** Set a deadline for review of this document and then place it on the unicode FTP site. Get instructions from Rick about how to place items on the FTP site. *** Action Item #26-John Gioia: *** John is to provide a list of the minimum requirements that would allow a programmer to implement Unicode for UTC discussion. The base, or minimum, course of things that the UTC would like to see occur within the document. Agenda Timeliness: ------------------ To allow representatives to make travel plans, the agenda must be sent out a minimum of 3 weeks to a month in advance of the meeting. *** Standing Action Item-Steve Greenfield: *** Steve is to get a draft agenda out a month ahead of time. Updates can be sent out a week ahead of time. X3L2 Relationship: ------------------ X3L2 is looking to create a US/ANSI standard profile based on the Unicode standard: Because X3L2 has been unable to obtain an editor for this project, there is a limit what X3L2 will be able to produce. Character Glyph Model: ---------------------- Feedback is needed on this paper. UTC should be willing to comment and offer their expertise on this paper. May be useful to put on CD. Could be a technical report. *** Action Item #27-Ed Hart: *** Send the Character Glyph Model document to both Mark Davis and Glenn Adams. Logo for Apple Use: ------------------- John McConnell said that the human interface experts at Apple find the Unicode logo is unsuitable for use as an icon. They consider it too detailed, and also language/script specific. UTC agreed that the U+ is acceptable for Apple Computer to use. The U+ has its own code point and has a historic usage within the Consortium (e.g., the Consortium's first logo). *** Action Item #28 - John McConnell: *** Develop a proposal for an icon based on the U+ for the next UTC meeting Conformance Clause: ------------------- No action on this due to confusion over issue. *** Action Item #29-Joan Aliprand: *** Send Glenn's request on conformance clause to "unicore". Glenn needs a decision for the consolidated edition (Version 2.0). Meeting adjourned at 6:20 p.m.