L2/98-280

Minutes of the NCITS/L2 meeting # 174
July 29-31, 1998, Redmond

 

  1. Joint meeting with UTC July 29-31, 1998 [L2/98-205]

    2. Technical discussions, see minutes, action items, and motions for details.

  2. Opening of L2 meeting - remarks from the chair

    3. Welcome to Judith Lundberg, Orient Foundation - we appreciate her participation and hope that she can get her organization to join the relevant NBs to promote the standards needed according to the organizations goal.

    NCITS has awarded the NCITS Merit Award to Ed Hart. I want to thank anybody who supported this nomination. Ed deserves it.

    NCITS has chosen John Hill (AMP) as the liaison to L2. Hill will participate in one of our meetings in the near future.

  3. Administrative agenda
    1. Attendance and membership
      1. Membership list [SD-1]

        2. We are now 16 members. SGI has joined again. For the moment, Digital is now Compaq - I have no indication for the future. Apple, Compaq, HP, IBM, Microsoft, Novell, , Oracle, Progress, RLG, Reuters, Share, SGI, Sybase, Sun, Unicode, Unisys.

        Apple changes alternate from Edberg to McGowan.

      2. Members in jeopardy

        3. Progress Software would be in jeopardy, I ask L2 to allow Tex to be absent this time without getting into jeopardy. OK by L2.

      3. Attendance at July 98 meeting

      Apple, HP, IBM, Microsoft, Novell, RLG, Sybase, Sun, Unicode, Unisys. Ballot answers from Oracle, Progress Software, Reuters.

      Name

      Company

      L2
      7/29/98

      UTC
      7/29/98

      UTC
      7/30/98

      UTC
      7/31/98

      L2
      7/31/98

      Aliprand, Joan

      RLG

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Allen, Julie

      Unicode

      x

      UO

      		      

      Becker, Joe

      Xerox

      		          

      Boyle, Chris

      Novell

      		          

      Carroll, Don

      Hewlett-Packard

      		          

      Davis, Mark

      IBM - Taligent

      A

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Fiscella, John

      Production First Software

      		          

      Freytag, Asmus

      Unicode

      P

      UO

      UO

      UO

      P

      Gong, Yu

      Oracle

      		          

      Hart, Edwin

      SHARE

      		          

      Hiura, Hideki

      Sun Microsystems

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Honomichl, Lloyd

      Novell

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Jenkins, John

      Apple

      		          

      Kobayashi, Tatsuo

      Justsystem

      x

      CM

      CM

      CM

      x

      Ksar, Mike

      Hewlett-Packard

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Long, Wai-Man

      Digital

      		          

      Martin O’Donnell, Sandra

      Digital

      		          

      McGowan, Rick

      Apple

      A

      CM

      CM

      CM

      A

      Moore, Lisa

      IBM

      A

      CM

      CM

      CM

      A

      Murray, Brendan

      Lotus

      		          

      Ng, Nelson

      Oracle

      		          

      O’Brian, Cleo

      Silicon Graphics

      		          

      Oesterle, Julia

      Unicode

      A

      UO

      UO

      UO

      A

      Roberts, Gary

      NCR

      x

      CM

      CM

      CM

      x

      Sargent, Murray

      Microsoft

      A

      CM

      CM

      CM

      A

      Son-Bell, Mark

      Sun Microsystems

      		          

      Suignard, Michel

      Microsoft

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Texin, Tex

      Progress Software

      		          

      Umamaheswaran, V.S.

      IBM

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Whistler, Ken

      Sybase

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Winkler, Arnold

      Unisys

      P

      CM

      CM

      CM

      P

      Wolf, Misha

      Reuters

      		          

      Kiraz, George

      Lucent

      		          

      Nelson, Paul

      Microsoft

      		          

      Lofting, Peter

      Apple

      		          

      Barry, Randall

      Liaison

      		          

      Leisher, Mark

      		            

      Lundberg, Judith

      Orient Foundation

      O

      x

      		      

      Kida, Yasuo

      Apple (Japan)

      x

      CM

      CM

      CM

      x

      Legend: L2: P - Primary, A - Alternate, M - Member, x - present,
      UTC: CM: Corporate Member, AM: Associate Member, UO - Unicode officer

       

    2. Approval of last meetings minutes [L2/98-157]

      3. postponed to next meeting

    3. L2 project list [SD-4]

      4. For Information.

    4. Action items follow-up [SD-2]

      5. Please send e-mail on SD2 as distributed.

    5. Registration of new documents and assignment to agenda

      6. see SD3

    6. Approval of agenda [L2/98-206]

      7. Additions:

      Replacing X3.4 with ISO 646 ? [8.1]

      Replacing X3.83 with ISO 2375 ? [8.2]

      Agenda is approved with additions.

    7. Next meetings

    December 2-4, 1998 San Jose, hosted by Novell

     

     

     

  4. Report from SC22/WG20 meeting in Dublin
    1. Resolutions [98-224]

    No time to discuss in this meeting - read for yourself.

  5. Ballots
    1. Ballots to vote :
      1. FDIS ballot for ISO/IEC 8859-15 - Latin-9 [98-221]

        2. Say NO with "old" comments: 8:3:5

      2. Many registrations (#207-#225)

L2 doc

Title

Source

Date

Due Date

Vote

L2/98-227

Text for registration # 207 - Irish Gaelic in 7-bit

SC2 N3113

98-06-09

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-229

Text for registration # 208 - Ogham

SC2 N3114

98-06-09

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-231

Text for registration # 209 - Sami supplementary Latin set no. 2

SC2 N3115
Everson

98-06-09

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-235

Application for Registration No.212, Extension of the Latin alphabet coded character set for bibliographic interchange

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3125

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-236

Application for Registration No.213, Supplementary minor European and obsolete typographical Latin set

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3126

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-237

Application for Registration No.214, Extension of the Cyrillic alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

NB Ireland SC2 N3127

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-238

Application for Registration No.215, Greek alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

SC2 N3128

    

No

L2/98-239

Application for Registration No.216, Extended African Latin alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3129

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-240

Application for Registration No.217, Mathematical coded character set for bibliographic information interchange, part 1

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3130

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-241

Application for Registration No.218, Mathematical coded character set for bibliographic information interchange, part 2

NB Ireland 
SC2 3131

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-242

Application for Registration No.219, Hebrew alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange, part 1

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3132

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-243

Application for Registration No.220, Hebrew alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange, part 2

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3133

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-244

Application for Registration No.221, Armenian alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3134

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-245

Application for Registration No.222, Georgian alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3135

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-246

Application for Registration No.223, Extended non-Slavic Cyrillic alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3136

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-247

Application for Registration No.224, Extension of the Arabic alphabet coded character set for bibliographic information interchange

NB Ireland 
SC2 N3137

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

L2/98-248

Application for Registration No.225, Extension of the Latin alphabet coded character set for bibliographic interchange

NB Ireland SC2 N3138

1998-07-06

1998-10-15

No

General comments:

+

Specific comments from Joan.

207 - Irish C1 applies, NO, no more registrations of 7 or 8-bit sets

208 - Ogham no more 8-bit standard

209 - Sami in G1 no more 8-bit

210 - Sami - Windows no more 8-bit

211 - Sami - Apple no more 8-bit

IBM abstains on these votes.

 

      1. Warning: additional Cyrillic Sami characters [98-258]

For the delegation to WG2 - get examples, XXX diareses is already encoded.

    1. Ballot reports:
      1. Request for a recommendation for DKUUG to be the registration authority for ISO/IEC 15897 (EN 12005) YES
      2. PDAM registration and consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 14 - Yi
        [98-162, 98-163] YES/NO
      3. PDAM registration and consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 17 - CJK Ext. A [98-170, SC2 N3090] YES
      4. PDAM registration and consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 24 - Thaana
        [98-172, 98-173] YES
      5. PDAM registration and consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 25 - Khmer
        [98-174, 98-175] YES
      6. PDAM registration and consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 26 - Burmese
        [98-176, 98-177] YES
      7. PDAM registration and consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 27 - Syriac
        [98-178, 98-179] YES
      8. PDAM registration and FPDAM consideration ISO 10646, Amd. 23 - Bopomofo extensions and other characters [98-201, 98-202] YES
      9. Registration #203 - Latin-9 [98-180, 98-181] NO
      10. Registration #204 - Latin-1 [98-164, 98-165] NO
      11. Registration #205 - Latin-4 [98-166, 98-167] NO
      12. Registration #206 - Latin-7 [98-168, 98-169] NO
    2. Requests for comments:
      1. First Working Draft for ISO 10646 - Part 2: Plane 14 Characters for Language Tags (WG 2 N 1670) [98-143]

Mark’s (future) document will be submitted to WG2 with the request to reserve them for the specified use. Row 4 for standardized glyph variant characters, row 5 for user defined glyph variant characters.

  1. U.S. Positions for the SC2 meetings in London
    1. SC2/WG2
      1. Proposed modification of SC2 program of work [98-232]

      Not addressed

    2. SC2/WG3
      1. Alternative to 32 graphic characters in columns 8&9 of ISO 2022 [98-225]

      will be discussed in WG3.

    3. SC2 plenary
      1. Contribution of the Netherlands on the functioning of SC2 [98-233]

    no comment

  2. Delegates to SC2 and SC22/WG20 meetings
    1. Review: Delegates to SC2/WG2 in the UK, September 21-25, 1998

      2. Winkler, Michel, Whistler, Joan, Mike as convener, Freytag as Unicode liaison. Add Honomichl

    2. Review: Delegates to SC2/WG3 in the UK, September 1998, 26, 28

      3. Winkler, same, + Ksar, add Honomichl

    3. Review: Delegates to SC22/WG20 in Israel, October 18-22, 1998

    Winkler - I need more support - Whistler

  3. Other
    1. Withdraw X3.4 (project 12-M), replace with ISO/IEC 646?

      2. Yes, with the following caveat: The latest ISO 646 IRV could have a cover sheet that makes it the US standard.

      The US requirement is the IRV as defined in ISO 646:1991.

    2. Withdraw X3.83 (project 13-M), replace with ISO 2375?

      3. Yes

    3. Contribution to CAW meeting in Paris and CAW pre-meeting in New York. IISP letter.

    Winkler will be there as WG20 delegate. Ensure discussion of process over content in this meeting - it is important to specify, how the different groups in the new TD will work together (liaisons, common meetings, no overlap in work items, …)

  4. Voting on joint UTC/L2 meeting recommendations

    5. All motions from the common UTC/L2 meeting were approved unanimously.

  5. Adjournment