RE: Fontographer 4.1 Vs. Microsoft Visual True Type 4.2 (VTT)

From: Chris Pratley (
Date: Mon Aug 23 1999 - 05:04:42 EDT

In addition, you can install keyboard "input locales" for various languages.
If you need the symbols and they are not likely on any keyboard, Access VBA
is good for insertion, and for browsing the symbols Insert/Symbol in Word
and Unicode Charmap in NT work well.

As for losing information, you are definitely at a crossroads. Since you are
clearly not using Unicode today for your data, you are probably using some
kind of symbol font, or perhaps a custom font that is not marked as a symbol
font. If so, you would be better off to retype the data into Unicode if
there is very little, and get it into Unicode format as soon as you can. If
you want to keep it in symbol format, you could later try to switch it to
Unicode using a macro that does the conversion. But depending on the number
of fonts you use, you may need to have to distinguish between different
symbol fonts when you do the conversion. So for safety I would recommend
putting the data into Unicode to make it unambiguous.

Chris Pratley
Program Manager
Microsoft Office

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher John Fynn []
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:01 PM
To: Unicode List
Cc: Magda Danish (Unicode);
Subject: Re: Fontographer 4.1 Vs. Microsoft Visual True Type 4.2 (VTT)

In Windows the Alt+0nnn entry method doesn't work for characters
> 255 or outside the active code page. You have to switch input
locales to activate a code page which contains the characters you want
to enter, or use something like Windows NT's Unicode character
map accessory (or Character Agent
In Access you should also be able to write VBA code to enter Unicode

AFAIK Visual TrueType is primarily a specialised application for hinting
TrueType / Open type fonts - not a general purpose font editor. A good
font editor that runs under MS Windows and will handle these fonts
is FontLab 3 (see or
- though if you start to mess around with an OpenType font that has glyphs
for complex scripts which requiring glyph substitution etc. you can easily
destroy some of the OpenType tables.

- Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Magda Danish (Unicode) <>
To: Unicode List <>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 5:21 PM
Subject: FW: Fontographer 4.1 Vs. Microsoft Visual True Type 4.2 (VTT)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: []
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 6:38 PM
> To: Magda Danish (Unicode)
> Subject: Leo's follow-up: Fontographer 4.1 Vs. Microsoft Visual True
> Type 4.2 (VTT)

> Dear Magda:
> You've kindly helped Leo last week by posting Chris Pratley's response to
> his
> initial query letter. I hope it's not too much of a burden to you to take
> look at
> Leo's follow-up. Thanks in advance,
> Tanya
> ^^^^^^^^^^
> Leo writes,
> "I understood how to install Universal Font, named Arial Unicode MS now in
> MS
> Office 2K and linked it to Access databases, but I didn't see all symbols
> this font. For example when I type ALT + 040 and ALT + 0296 (296=40+256),
> see two absolutely equivalent symbols, i.e. Access perceived Universal
> as ordinary 1 byte font. Access brings only first 256 symbols; symbols
> larger codes transform to first 256 codes by means of subtracting needed
> number of periods (256). What manipulations
> with MS Access initial parameters I must do to obtain right MS Access
> interpretation of Universal Font, as 2 byte, 40000 symbol font to have
> access
> to all of its symbols? How can I type symbols of this font? (I know three
> ways for ordinary -- using keyboard, using table of symbols and using ALT
> code. May be for Universal Font exists another way?) I have a very old,
> rather good font program, named Fontographer 4.1. This program can create
> new
> symbols and may be used for surveying all symbols of interesting font.
> Unfortunately I couldn't survey Universal Font using this program, because
> this font is too long for Fontographer 4.1. The symbol table, which is a
> part
> of Windows 95 shows only first 256 symbols. I haven't font program to
> this font. On the Microsoft Internet Site I read, that there
> is a font program, named Microsoft Visual True Type 4.2 (VTT) to work with
> byte fonts. I'm curious about this program!
> Now I want to return to the main theme -- my database. I almost wrote
> functions of this database, i.e. "frame". Now my main task -- to receive
> information on crystals
> grown in our Institute and type it in my database. For today I have very
> small extent of information about real crystals and its losing is not a
> trouble. Now I am
> standing at a crossroads. If I use Universal Font I lose information typed
> in
> another font. I must decide for myself whether to use Universal Font or
> When my database will be full of information, this transition will be very
> painful."
> Leo

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