The original langpacks had 2.0, and probably have not been updated. The new
version is also twice as large, which makes it quite a huge download for
basic support so they probably won't be updated either. Keep in mind that
JIS X 208 is enough for all normal uses - it was all there was until a few
years ago in any case.
Chris Pratley
Group Program Manager
Microsoft Word
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:michka@trigeminal.com]
Sent: July 3, 2000 1:52 PM
To: Chris Pratley; Unicode List
Subject: Re: Mixing languages on a Web site
I think you are correct (at least I have never found such documentation). I
did have a friend of mine teach me to use the Japanese one, once.
That is an interesting point on the MS Mincho that I had not heard before. I
guess its also interesting in light of the inclusion of MS Gothic in the
lang packs (since web pages can contain a lot of information). OTOH anyone
who is smart enough to note a difference will likely have the other font
anyway.
The IE5 langpack contains version 2.0 of the font (for what its worth). That
may be due to the other not being ready, I hate to assume that they
intentionally decided not to include some character coverage. :-)
michka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Pratley" <chrispr@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Mixing languages on a Web site
> Only in the sense that Arial is more attractive than Times New Roman. For
> on-screen display of small amounts of text, a Gothic font is better due to
> the low resolution of displays, but for larger amounts of printed text, a
> Mincho font is preferred. Newspapers (and Word documents) are all set in
> Mincho for that reason.
>
> If you install both fonts, you should make sure you get SP5 or later for
NT4
> to fix a problem that NT4 has handling several very large fonts on the
> system at the same time.
>
> One thing to note is that there are different versions of MS Gothic and MS
> Mincho that have different coverage of CJK. Notably, the ver 2.3 of these
> fonts that ships with Win98J, and all languages of Win2000 has JIS X 212
CJK
> coverage. Older versions (NT4) covered only JIS X 208. I am not sure which
> version ships with the IE language packs, but it is probably a smaller
> (older) one for size reasons.
>
> Regarding Mike Ayers's question about usage, the global IME's appear in
the
> list of installed keyboards (represented by a two-letter icon in the task
> bar tray). They appear only if you are using an application that supports
> the Global IME (IE4/5, Word2000, Outlook 98/2000 mail, Outlook Express
4/5,
> etc.). There is almost no documentation in English on how to use IMEs that
I
> know of. The Office2000 Proofing Tools manual has one page for each
> language, but comprehensive documentation in English does not exist that I
> know of (I would love to be proven wrong).
>
> Chris Pratley
> Group Program Manager
> Microsoft Word
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:michka@trigeminal.com]
> Sent: July 1, 2000 7:00 AM
> To: Unicode List
> Subject: Re: Mixing languages on a Web site
>
> If you mean the Active IMM, you can install the Japanese lang support
> provided by IE5 as well, as it does the same thing (installs a font and
code
> page support). In fact the cp files have more recent dates, I think.
>
> In fact, the font it installs (MS Gothic) is generally considered to be
more
> attractive than the LangPack font (MS Mincho).
>
> michka
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Cunningham" <andjc@ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
> Cc: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Mixing languages on a Web site
>
>
> > Hi Mike
> >
> > To use microsoft's global IME for Japanese on NT4, there is one very
> > important step you need to do ... install NT4 Japanese support .. there
> are
> > a few articles about it in the Microsoft knowledge base .. i have the
urls
> > at work, don't have them with me at the moment ...
> >
> > on the win NT4 cdrom there is a folder somewhere called langpacks ...
use
> > windows explorer to look in it ... there is a file called japanese.inf
..
> > right mouse click on it .. a pop up menu will appear ... on of the menu
> > items is 'install' .. select this .. and it will install NT4's Japanese
> > langauge support .. this should be installed before the global IME for
> > Japanese ... otherwise it will not work ... at least that's the story
...
> >
> > ciao
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > Andrew Cunningham
> > andjc@ozemail.com.au
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ayers, Mike <Mike_Ayers@bmc.com>
> > To: Unicode List <unicode@unicode.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2000 3:49
> > Subject: RE: Mixing languages on a Web site
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:michka@trigeminal.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 4:28 AM
> > > >
> > > > To prove #4 will work, see
> > > >
> > > > http://www.trigeminal.com/samples/provincial.html
> > > >
> > > > Along with 102 other languages, this page includes both Japanese and
> > > > Turkish. UTF-8 is what makes that possible....
> > > >
> > > > michka
> > >
> > > I checked it out, and with IE5 I can now view almost all of it.
> > > There are 5 lines that I cannot view and for which there are no fonts
> > > available, but otherwise great. Netscape does not show nearly as many
> > > (hints?).
> > >
> > > On a possibly entirely unrelated subject, I downloaded Microsoft's
> > > IMEs for Chinese and Japanese, hoping to learn to use them. However, I
> > > cannot figure out how to enable them, and can't locate any helpful
info
> on
> > > Microsoft's site. I am running NT4. Any tips greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > /|/|ike
> > >
> >
> >
>
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