I would not say that override should be impossible. I was merely saying that
if the given charset is specified and is correct, and you change it to
something invalid.... then it is their fault if the results are bad.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Rosenne" <email@example.com>
To: "Unicode List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?
> Unfortunately, there are many Hebrew pages wrongly marked as 8859-1, and
many more unmarked. So letting the user override the charset specification
is necessary. I was told similar situations are known in Russia and Greece.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antoine Leca [mailto:Antoine.Leca@renault.fr]
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:06 PM
> > To: Unicode List
> > Subject: Re: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?
> > Michael Kaplan wrote:
> > >
> > > > My experimentation indicated that if the user did not have
> > their browser
> > > > set to auto-select encoding, or if they manually overrode the
> > > > selection, the form data would be sent in whatever they had chosen,
> > > > regardless of what charset may be in the <meta
> > http-equiv="Content-Type"
> > > > ...> in the HTML document head.
> > >
> > > My general feeling of people who specifically change settings
> > so that the
> > > text was rendered properly and then they specificically changed it is
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > THEY DESERVE WHATEVER THEY GET.
> > My own experimentations (and large practice, *UNFORTUNATELY*), is that
> > to have to manually specifying the encoding is a hack, being there to
> > avoid the initial overview of authoring software that does not enforce
> > an uniform *and* practical encoding scheme (either "all should be
> > Unicode",
> > or "the day you use something outside ASCII, it should be tagged").
> > Problem is worse in some cases (mainly Cyrillic), because a number of
> > charsets are equaly in common use, mainly for historical reasons.
> > And the behaviour of Microsoft in this area is not necessary of help...
> > Now, most of the time I run with "default" on. Sometimes, I need
> > to change.
> > And when I change, I let it in the changed position (Yes, I'm quite
> > unless there is a nuisance. So quite a time, I am running in "changed"
> > position...
> > > The GIGO (garbage in, garbage out ) philospophy is the best way
> > to go here,
> > > IMHO. How much more can you do other than provide a java applet
> > that will
> > > hav a big hand come out of the screen and slap them silly?
> > And *I* would be quite upset if, when I answer in French (using French
> > accents) in an application that only proposes English as UI and asks for
> > e.g. my profession, so I would be upset if the application:
> > - either refuse to handle my accentuated profession
> > - or, perhaps worse, misinterprets it because the server-side
> > insists on using
> > his charset instead of whatever character I really need.
> > But this is what happens every day, because the (U.S. based) programmer
> > expecting everyone to use ASCII, of course. Here we cannot
> > distinguish GIGO
> > for lazyness or plain ignorance.
> > Now you take the case of my friend M. Lebœuf, whom name includes a
> > character not easily available in common charsets, trying to answer such
> > a form included in a iso-8859-1 html page... I am not sure he will
> > appreciate to see his name considered as garbage...
> > Antoine
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