RE: Can anyone help me!!!

From: Prabhat Hegde (Prabhat.Hegde@Eng.Sun.COM)
Date: Tue Oct 17 2000 - 17:38:15 EDT


hi,

I presume your are using the browser on a non windows platform.

For a browser to render text in an indian language on a system that does
not support intelligent fonts(such as OpenType), you will need the
following :

A> A module that will generate the presentation forms for a particular language
   based on font(s) available to the user.
B> As mentioned below you will need to handle Orientation (RightToLeft for
   languages such as Urdu) and text operations such as selection and cursor
   movement to be based on a display "cell" and not a character.
   
I don't think plugin is an easy way to achieve this.

regards,
prabhat

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>From: Michael Jansson <mjan@borware.com>
>To: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
>Cc: Unicode List <unicode@unicode.org>, cata@netscape.com, erik@netscape.com
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:30:53 -0800 (GMT-0800)
>Subject: RE: Can anyone help me!!!
>
>Hi,
>
>Writing a plugin would not be enough. There are quite a few issues
>to deal with when rendering Indian text in a browser without
>Unicode support (as you all know). I assume that you are looking for
>a solution that works for more than just one browser on one platform!?
>
>Some browser may neither support Unicode text encoding formats (e.g.
>utf-8), nor rendering of 16-bit characters. Also they would probably
>not be able to deal with the complex character shaping and positioning
>and text direction issues found in Indian and other languages. Some
>browsers do not support downloading (partial) fonts yet, so these
>browsers may not be able to show the text even if they did support
>Unicode. There are other issues as well....
>
>It's not impossible to solve these problems though, but it is *very*
>hard. We (at BorWare AB) are working on a product with which we intend
>to support Unicode, CSS level 2 and font embedding on many platforms and
>browsers. Specifically, it will support Indian Unicode fonts (OpenType
>Layout) and non-Unicode Indian fonts (TT, T1, etc) in IE 4.x, IE 5.x,
>Nav 4.x, Nav 6.x, Op4, WebTV on (non-Indian) Windows, Unix, Mac. It's
>being beta tested right now and should be available sometime next year...
>
>Regards,
>- Michael
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sanatan mohanty [mailto:smohanty@iitk.ac.in]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:33 PM
>> To: Unicode List
>> Cc: Unicode List; cata@netscape.com; erik@netscape.com
>> Subject: Re: Can anyone help me!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> can't i use unicode to generate and show the fonts in any browser
>> irrespective of their support to unicode!. like by writing plugin or
>> something like this. and when a user with browser which
>> doesn't support
>> unicode like to access that webpage. he/she needs to install
>> that plugin.
>>
>> will it be possible????
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Yung-Fong Tang wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Antoine Leca wrote:
>> >
>> > > sanatan mohanty wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a project to make a webpage, which will be
>> unicode enable.
>> > >
>> > > Good.
>> > >
>> > > > i can show indian language fonts.
>> > > > i can type those fonts on the webpage itself on text boxes!.
>> > >
>> > > Ah! How do you do that?
>> > > Or do you mean "would/should" instead?
>> > >
>> > > > and it should be atleast work on netscape and windows
>> > > > explorer!, and atleast LINUX and Windows OS supports it!.
>> > >
>> > > I am not aware that Netscape, even in version 6, is able to
>> > > display Indian sentences encoded in Unicode (although it is
>> > > able to display individual characters). The problem is in
>> > > the rendering (displaying) of the conjuncts, and the reordering
>> > > of the left-positionned matra's.
>> >
>> > Does Netscape6 on Win2K have this problem ? If so, can you
>> put together
>> > a test page for us? We know there are problem when we try
>> to select the
>> > conjuncts. However, since we use TextOutW, in theory the
>> TextOutW should
>> > handle conjuncts and handle the reording of the left-positionned
>> > matra's.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > so, can u people give me some brief ideas abt keyboard mapping,
>> > >
>> > > Keyboard layout is unrelated to the problem.
>> > > You can use whatever you want (or are comfortable with).
>> > >
>> > > However, you certainly need a Unicode-able editor. Very few of
>> > > them are Indian-enabled (Microsoft are the best choice, but are
>> > > not the cheaper, particularly since it pratically needs Win2000).
>> > >
>> > > > unicode font setting,
>> > >
>> > > There are very few Indian "Unicode" fonts for the moment.
>> > > And even less work with X11/Linux.
>> > >
>> > > In fact, I am not aware of any such a font. Which is the main
>> > > reason why I ask the questions above.
>> > >
>> > > > dispay setting....
>> > >
>> > > What do you mean with display setting?
>> > > The display setting is on the the client side. You are not going
>> > > to have any form of control on this setting... (and no, I do not
>> > > like browsing a web site and encountering a page that says
>> > > "please, change over all your settings in order to browse my
>> > > site"; actually, I often switch away).
>> > >
>> > > Antoine
>> >
>>



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