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De : "Lukas Pietsch" <email@example.com>
> Patrick Andries enquired:
> > 2) U+1D1C0 seems to have an incorrect names (e.g. "fusa black"). This is
> > character (SEMIBREVIS BLACK + STEM + FLAG-2)
> > I believe, this is black SEMI-FUSA. [snip]
> > I believe the confusion may stem from the fact that some symbols have
> > change names and values through time (see below). Unicode seems to have
> > aligned itself on the pre-1420 names (the smaller set of symbols) and
> > extrapolated from it the names of the black notes that appeared only
> after 1420.
> No, I think the Unicode terminology is correct. The name "fusa black" has
> not been extrapolated anachronistically. It was indeed used like this
> pre-1420 (although the dictionary table you quote doesn't show it.)
OK. If this "fusa black" is indeed attested, I stand corrected.
May I add that I believe this is not the most common name : I did check
this in three different small music dictionaries (and many Web pages) and
they all show that this note appeared late (post-1420) and give it its
post-1420 name : "semi-fusa". Could it be that Unicode has adopted a rare
name for this character and that this could confuse modern users (they are
quite a few pages on the Web concercing this topic) ?
> Unicode terminology is consistent in so far as all white notes are given
> post-1420 names, and all black notes are given pre-1420 names,
> notwithstanding the fact that these black notes were also used with
> *different* names and values post-1420.
Which I believe is confusing (see your table below).
All notes could have been given post-1420 names given the fact that the
white notes appear only after 1420...
> semibr. = white head (=1d1b9 "semibrevis white")*
> minima = white head + stem (=1d1bb "minima white")**
> semimin.= white head + stem + flag1 (=1d1bd "semiminima white"), or:
> black head + stem (=1d1bc "minima black")***
> fusa = white head + stem + flag2 (=1d1bf "fusa white"), or:
> black head + stem + flag1 (=1d1be "semiminima black")****
> semifusa= black head + stem + flag2 (=1d1c0 "fusa black")*****
Found this original illustration
in Compendiolum musicae pro incipientibus, 1594.
> You can see that the Unicode terminology is consistent with all of the
> pre-1420 symbols, and at least with one of the two sets of post-1420
> symbols. (Even if that is not the set of symbols that eventually came to
Thank you, Lukas.
P.S. Incidentally, do your sources also show consistently the nominal form
of the MAXIMA and LONGA with stems pointing downwards contrarily to the
Unicode reference glyph ?
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