I asked the Russian consultants from Moscow to speak very slowly so I
would get any nuances. It was a very clear 's' to 'sh' sound. They said
that they knew of no [StS] version. It all sounds like a dialect issue
to me.
Dave
--- Radovan Garabik <garabik@melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 03:47:40PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote:
> > Hello Radovan,
> >
> > RG> that is indeed the "official" pronunciation,
> >
> > No, it really isn't!
> >
>
> not even if you ask your fellow innocent russian speakers
> "please read for me this word v e r y s l o w l y"
> and listen carefully?
>
> > RG> and if you ask an (educated) Russian
> > RG> speaker to slowly pronounce a word with [U+0429] he will
> pronounce it as
> > RG> [StS]
> >
> > No, he really won't!
>
> it is some time since I had an access to Russian speakers :-)
> so unfortunately I cannot try it
>
> We were certainly taught to pronounce щ as шч (soft ч before soft
> vowels, of course), but all my russian teachers were Slovaks...
>
> >
> > RG> but I guess it is influenced by orthography.
> >
> > What's the orthography got to do with it??
>
> if the children in schools are taught that "щ" is pronounced
> as "шч", they (those who are paying atention) will remember it
> and then use this pronunciation when asked to pronounce each phoneme
> of a given word.
>
> An interesting example:
> In an older Slovak orthography, certain voiced consonants at the
> beginning of words were written as unvoiced ("sber" vs. current
> "zber").
> You can still hear this (over-correct) pronunciation (/sber/) when
> listening to older educated people (i.e. those who did a lot of
> reading in
> the old orthography). In the old times, you could use this as an
> indication
> of a speaker's degree of education.
>
>
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Dave Possin
Globalization Consultant
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