Re: Questions on ZWNBS - for line initial holam plus alef

From: Kenneth Whistler (
Date: Fri Aug 08 2003 - 20:27:20 EDT

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    Philippe continued:

    > On Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:49 AM, Michael Everson wrote:
    > > At 14:22 -0700 2003-08-08, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
    > >
    > > > Philippe, you are tilting at windmills, here. There is no chance
    > > > that the UTC is going to consider such a character, in my
    > > > assessment, let alone give it the properties you suggest.
    > >
    > > Nor WG2 either.
    > Why that? Because I suggest something that some other may think
    > as useful to fill a large gap in Unicode for spcing diacritics, but I'm
    > not trusted enough due to my errors or confusions here, so that this
    > suggestion would be endorsed by more "serious" UTC or WG2
    > members?

    Mostly because there is no "large gap" here in the first place.
    > Why do you think it is stupid to have a single carrier character that
    > would avoid adding new spacing diacritics, when the standard
    > combining diacritics could be used without less "quirks" like
    > "defective" sequences just to produce the desired effect?

    Because the mechanism for doing so -- application to SPACE or
    to NBSP -- has been specified by the standard for a decade now.

    > If you think that spacing diacritics are stupid,

    We do not. Some of them are necessary compatibility characters.
    Others have distinct usage as spacing forms that warrant
    their separate encoding.

    > why then are they
    > given these properties and not deprecated (no more recommanded)
    > in the standard,

    Because the ones in the standard, and particularly the ASCII
    and Latin-1 spacing diacritics, were required for a number
    of legacy and implementation reasons...

    > in favor of the SPACE+diacritics sequences,

    ...and because these are not, and never have been, canonically


    "Well then, if he be mad, as he is, and with a madness that mostly
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    believe that some country girl, the first I come across here, is
    the lady Dulcinea; and if he does not believe it, I'll swear it;
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