RE: interleaved ordering (was RE: Phoenician)

From: Dean Snyder (
Date: Thu May 13 2004 - 12:35:43 CDT

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    Rich Gillam of Language Analysis Systems, Inc. Unicode list reader wrote
    at 11:41 AM on Thursday, May 13, 2004:

    >This whole discussion of interleaved sorting has veered off into the
    >ditch. Now maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention (quite
    >possible, as I pretty much lost patience with the whole Phoenician
    >thread a LONG time ago)

    Probably, I would hazard a guess, because you are not a user of these

    >That's how we got here. The effect it has on sorted lists of words
    >seems pretty uninteresting to me. I can think of two use cases:
    >1. A sorted list of Phoenician words (or words using the Phoenicial
    >script range, in whatever language or script) that mixes encoding
    >conventions-- some words use the Phoenician script range and some use
    >the existing Hebrew range. Same letters, same glyphs, different
    >underlying encoding. You want to hide the difference in underlying
    >encoding from the end user.
    >2. A sorted list of Hebrew words, some in modern Hebrew script and some
    >in Paleo-Hebrew (or some other script that uses the Phoenician range).
    >Same language, different glyphs.
    >Both are justification for an interleaved sort order, but really, how
    >often will either use case come up?

    Well, for just one case, if you're a Dead Sea scroll scholar (one of the
    more populated sub-disciplines in Semitic scholarship) all the time and
    every day.

    >Do you really expect-- in EITHER
    >case-- to have long lists of words that need to be mechanically sorted?


    >Do you expect it to happen often enough that hacking together a Perl
    >script to do it once isn't going to get the job done?


    >Why is this a
    >burning issue that has to be enshrined in the default UCA sort order?

    [Or even a separate encoding for that matter?] Because of what lies
    behind the responses to your questions above.


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