From: Kenneth Whistler (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Mon May 16 2005 - 17:47:48 CDT
> On 14/05/2005 18:29, Hans Aberg wrote:
> > At 17:44 +0100 2005/05/14, Peter Kirk wrote:
> >> On 14/05/2005 00:19, Philippe Verdy wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> That was the first time I saw the term "guillemet" in English. Could
> >>> I have incorrectly learned the term "guillemot" from unreliable
> >>> sources, or from other "standards"? May be it was in glyph names for
> >>> Postscript Level 1 fonts? I can't remember.
> >> Quite possibly you copied the error from others. Actually Andrey and
> >> Hans both used the incorrect form before you did in this thread, so I
> >> am not blaming you.
> > The error arouse from the original poster, the others copying it over.
> > The blame arouse with the blamer. :-)
As arousing as I find this cascade of blame, ...
> Well, Hans, I could have pointed out that Andrey correctly quoted the
> Postscript names "guillemotleft" and "guillemotright" (and whoever
> decided on that standard had the right to use the name of a bird rather
> than the name usually used by typographers),
That would most likely be John Warnock, Doug Brotz, Bill Paxton,
or Ed Taft. But frankly, I doubt they deliberately rode the wings
of fancy to name quotation marks after sea birds. It was probably
just a goof.
> and you were I think the
> first to use the word "guillemot" as a standalone word. But I don't
> blame anyone for a typo, I just want to put the record straight.
Peter has, I think managed to set the record straight, ... or possibly
at bent angles.
Guillemot and guillemet are *both* English words, both borrowed
from French, but at different times.
guillemot is pronounced 'gil-uh-mott
guillemet used to be pronounced 'gil-uh-met (see Webster 1913),
but among those who actually use guillemets these days, it has
be re-franglicized as giy-'may in English.
Oh, and for those who were wondering, guillemots are awkward
auks, whereas guillemets are merely somewhat awkward in awk.
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