Re: what is Latn?

From: Erkki Kolehmainen (
Date: Mon May 23 2005 - 01:54:19 CDT

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    There is a multitude of languages that can be written with a choice of
    scripts. Quite often a new script has been imposed by a government
    decree, sometimes as an oppressive act, e.g. in the former Soviet Union.
    Nevertheless, as the result, the particular language ends up having
    litterature produced using also the imposed script and, furthermore,
    especially the children have learned it. Consequently, even if the use
    of the original script is reactivated, both do exist for the language.
    Thus, the very real relation between languages and scripts is
    evolutionary, not guided let alone dictated by the norms of any
    standards organization, which can only observe and informatively
    document any given situation.

    I also fail to understand the rationale for your exemplary sentence.

    Erkki I. Kolehmainen

    JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

    > At 16:07 20/05/2005, Erkki Kolehmainen wrote:
    >> When trying to follow this thread, I fail to understand why Mr. Morfin
    >> keeps on insisting that a script could and should be defined as a
    >> closed set (other than e.g. as a snapshot of what has been defined in
    >> a given version of ISO 1064 _and_ Unicode). We may and do still
    >> encounter new Latin characters (and more so: new characters of other
    >> scripts), many of which will undoubtedly lead to a discussion on
    >> whether they are truly new - yet to be encoded - characters or glyph
    >> variations or whatever. - Nevertheless, a rose is a rose.
    >> Incidentally, as there is no absolute truth, it gets to be truly
    >> impossible to agree on what characters (of a given script) are used
    >> for a given language. We honestly tried that a few years ago in a CEN
    >> Workshop for the languages of Europe (which we couldn't agree on,
    >> either).
    >> Erkki I. Kolehmainen
    > I do not insist. I face people from this list who insist and
    > cross-document at IETF and ISO to make accepted there are relations
    > between languages and scripts (ISO 639-x and ISO 15924). And I try to
    > understand the purpose and the nature of this relation they insist not
    > to document (cf. Peter) in a normative manner. He accept that this
    > relation can be documented but do not see why it should always documented.
    > I will give you an image. "I saw Jefsey and his woman". This may usually
    > imply the you saw my wife with me. But you cannot tell it for sure and
    > document there is such a relation. This "woman" could be a partner in a
    > bowling game, and actually Peter's wife.
    > jfc

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