From: N. Ganesan (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed Apr 12 2006 - 06:27:31 CST
On 4/12/06, Antoine Leca <Antoine10646@leca-marti.org> wrote:
> > (3) Malayalam cillu marker
> > -----------------------------------------
> > The Indic list has gone through several inputs
> > on this problem for implementation.
> > did some reserach, and I do not recall a glyph for cillu m,
> Is it a circle?
No. Plain circle is anuswara. There is a Malayalam cillu_m
glyph different from plain circle. Probably, not many
in this list were given the evidence for cillu_m yet.
The cillu_m is just like any other cillu in orthogrphy/glyph.
> > that is in line with cillu n, cillu nn, etc.,
> > Will give this shape from published evidence
> > tomorrow. Does UTC have the cillu m glyph?
> Unicode/UCS (stands for Universal _character_ set) do not have glyph; it has
> codepoints, that is, characters. How they look like when drawn is not the
> purpose of this standard.
Glyphs are shown Unicode codecharts, Unicode just changed
the glyph for Malayalam digit Zero. (Ref.: my proposal
to change glyph M. zero to 0). When will it show
up in Unicode Malayalam codechart? Next update for 5.0?
> From all I have read on this, cillu-m has always been identificated with
No, will give published glyoh for Cillu m,
different from anusvara today.
> > Cillus can come at the end of words
> > and word-medially. ka, na, nna, la, lla, llla, r, t and m
> I think there were mentions of cillu-y too.
> Possibly (did not check, just taking from memory) there are gramarians who
> identificated cillu-h with visarga.
Does anyone have cillu_y glyph? I haven't seen it.
Will appreciate cillu_ya glyph from the list.
> On the other hand, I do not see clearly what do you mean by cillu-t (there
> are two candidates, <0D31, 0D4D, 200D> and <0D24, 0D4D, 200D>).
cillu_t and cillu_l are of the same glyphs,
but in code-points, if some want to differentiate
it's possible to differentiate between cillu_t and cillu_l.
Gruenendahl, for example, shows a candrakkala on top of LLLA,
as cillu_llla. But given other cillu glyphs (eg. cillu_m),
it is highly likely a cillu_llla ligature just like the style
cillu_n, cillu_nn, cna be found at least in manuscripts.
The maunuscripts collection of Malayalam, like Tamil mss.,
is vast indeed.
> > (4) Malayalam short u marker
> I read this has already been decided to be encoded as <U+0D41, U+0D4D>.
Any ref.s? From Unicode?
I tried sveral Malayalam fonts and TUS, Malayalam short U
is not showing up. It will be good if a Malayalam short u
marker is given in Unicode just as other examples
for Draviidan script markers. Hope another exception
for ZWJ, ZWNJ behavior is *not* done for Malayalam short u etc.,
It will just confuse the user community.
Typically, 0D40 does not combine with 04D1 in Unicode.
This special Malayalam short u can be encoded
as a "marker" code-point.
Another example for a marker: perhaps, transliterated with a .
Its name can be "Malayalam Geminatin marker",
It has a ramp/saw_tooth shape which ligates at the
bottom in conjuncts like cca and rvva, etc.,
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