Re: ISO/IEC 10646 and ISO/IEC 14651 freely available

From: Jefsey_Morfin (
Date: Fri Sep 29 2006 - 07:09:29 CST

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    we are in the language area, not in biology. So the real issue is how
    the person see him/her/etcself and how the language supports that
    vision. Ages are also important in languages, so are trades and
    contexts. In our computer assisted/man-machine relation, the genders
    "computer" and "agent" should be available. So we would often need
    singular, plural, networked.

    On 13:30 29/09/2006, Hans Aberg said:

    >On 29 Sep 2006, at 09:04, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
    >>On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 01:59:39PM +0200,
    >> Hans Aberg <> wrote
    >> a message of 14 lines which said:
    >>>This standard is rather limited, as it does not admit indicating
    >>>various androgyny, transsexual and indeterminate sex conditions.
    >>Transsexual people do have a gender, it is just that they changed
    >>it. Nothing in ISO 5218 prevents to change the gender of a person.
    >The stuff in the Unicode character set seems mainly concerned with
    >sexual preference, whereas I indicated the problem of medically
    >defining physical maleness/femaleness. The transsexuality you mention
    >is a sexual preference, which may sometimes result in a medically
    >altered sex change.
    >But some individuals have a faulty gene, so that the baby is not
    >exposed to testosterone during pregnancy, but during puberty. The
    >baby starts of as a female at birth, but develops as a male during
    >>Androgyny is more complicated to handle.
    >So it may fall into the same category.
    >Another complication is that male and female humans both are exposed
    >to testosterone and estrogen, but in different amounts, and both
    >hormones are important for proper development. For example, estrogen
    >during puberty is responsible for the body stop growing, which is why
    >castrates do not stop growing. Testosterone is, to some extent,
    >responsible of the sex drive, also in females. Females with
    >heightened exposure to testosterone usually, as males, have shorter
    >index finger than ring finger, which is statistically, but not
    >individually, linked to lesbianism. It is unknown what causes
    >sexually preference in the individual.
    >So, therefore, there are a number of cases with ambiguous physical
    >sexual development, where one factor is the amount of exposure of
    >these hormones, though that is only a part of the story.
    >I am not a medical expert on the subject. I just noticed that the
    >Unicode standard seems to assume that mankind falls into two physical
    >categories "male" and "female", with the possible exception of
    >androgyny, then. This might be too limited. But I do not know how the
    >subject should be resolved.
    > Hans Aberg

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