From: Khaled Hosny (khaledhosny@eglug.org)
Date: Sun Aug 31 2008 - 15:02:50 CDT
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:23:05PM +0300, Jony Rosenne wrote:
> Is there a reason why Punycode cannot be restored to Unicode when being displayed to humans?
>
Actually Konqueror did this long time ago, now also Firefox 3 and (I think
WebKit too) display the actual Unicode string instead of Punycode.
> Jony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: unicode-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bounce@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:12 PM
> To: Unicode Mailing List
> Cc: linuxalinux@yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: Unicode & ICANN Part 3
>
> What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
>
> URLs were originally designed to be ASCII-only and there is a huge
> amount of infrastructure that now relies on this. IDNA and Punycode
> were developed to make internationalized domain names work within the
> existing infrastructure. The IDNA Working Group within IETF chose not
> to consider "purer" proposals that would have broken the existing
> Internet infrastructure.
>
> I recommend visiting the IDNA Working Group at
> http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/idnabis-charter.html, reading their
> mail archives and getting familiar with the work they are already doing
> in this regard. That will probably achieve more than sending messages
> like this to top executives at ICANN and PIR.
>
> --
> Doug Ewell * Thornton, Colorado, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14
> http://www.ewellic.org
> http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html
> http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "linuxa linux" <linuxalinux@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: <unicode@unicode.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:24
> Subject: Unicode & ICANN Part 3
>
>
> > List
> >
> > I would like to thank those that have answered the Unicode & ICANN
> > postings to this list. There is another issue for discussion and your
> > answers and criticism would really help:
> >
> > Due to the ASCII character encoding being the core/monopoly and
> > primarily basis to the internet/web infrastructure that has become the
> > conventional starting point for subsequent Unicode and Punycode
> > character encoded internet/web, this has brought usability and
> > integration problems for a truly multilingual internet/web because
> > presently you cannot have domain names that are multilingual, for
> > example: japanese and english language mixed character domain names,
> > hindi and english language mixed character domain names etc.
> >
> > Another example, there is not much browser / URL bar integration and
> > usability innovation that allow for a non-ASCII language domain name
> > to stay non-ASCII script on the browser / URL bar without it changing
> > to Punycode.
> >
> > Thus there is a basic underlying problem that can only be rectified
> > when all the languages get represented on the internet/web
> > infrastructure and not only ASCII character encoded languages. ASCII
> > monopoly has not helped usability and integration for the internet/web
> > and a Unicode approach is need. Unicode has accomplished things at
> > the non-internet computer ground and now it needs to expand at the
> > internet/web ground. Otherwise things are not equal between the ASCII
> > and non-ASCII languages. For example you are seeing Punycode and not
> > the non-ASCII script for non-ASCII domain names on the browser / URL
> > bars -- a solution for this example here could perhaps be to have even
> > ASCII based domain names to be also Punycoded as a standard not just
> > non-ASCII based domain names to be Punycoded, thus bringing equality.
> > When you get equality between the two then there will be browser / URL
> > bar integration and usability innovation simultaneously between all
> > the
> > languages. I put this to Tina Dam at ICANN, the person handling these
> > issues and Paul Twomey, the ICANN President/CEO and Pamela Miller at
> > PIR the .ORG registry a few months ago however there was not much
> > progress with them.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Meeku
>
>
>
>
>
-- Khaled Hosny Arabic localizer and member of Arabeyes.org team
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