RE: Szekler Hungarian Rovas (or: Old Hungarian Runes)

From: Erkki I. Kolehmainen (
Date: Sat Nov 01 2008 - 14:48:15 CST

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    What I'm saying is that proposals on which there is no apparent consensus
    among the affected/interested parties should not be brought into either of
    the meetings. I'm fully aware of the fact that this discussion list is
    unrelated to either of the meetings, and I'm not trying to prevent
    discussion, I'd just prefer it to be somewhat more civilized.

    I maintain that the tone of this and other postings and also several
    statements made in Hong Kong could not be characterizd as constructive.

    Regards, Erkki

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    Puolesta Michael Everson
    Lähetetty: 1. marraskuuta 2008 21:33
    Vastaanottaja: unicode Unicode Discussion
    Aihe: Re: VS: Szekler Hungarian Rovas (or: Old Hungarian Runes)

    On 1 Nov 2008, at 18:42, Erkki I. Kolehmainen wrote:

    > The tone of this discussion has turned to be increasingly non-
    > constructive.

    What? Gábor Hosszú made one posting on a public list about this
    matter. Three people have responded, honestly and without rancour.

    > In the last SC2/WG2 meeting in Hong Kong on 2008-10-13/17, we hoped
    > to be able to have a meaningful discussion at the next WG2 meeting
    > to be held in April 2009 in Dublin. In light of the recent exchange
    > of messages, this
    > seems highly unlikely, thouigh.

    I really think you are being hasty here, Erkki. Four messages and you
    think that discussion should stop?

    > Consequently, I'd propose that a cooling-off period be imposed till
    > at least the Tokushima meeting in October 2009. This should convince
    > the feuding parties that they'd better find a way to work together
    > towards a reasonable solution.

    We've already lost one opportunity to encode Old Hungarian. In July we
    had an agreement. I'm sorry to say that Gábor Hosszú broke that
    agreement, and then broke off all communication. That was not
    constructive, and no progress could be made at the Hong Kong meeting.
    Now, here, he has offered to discuss the encoding. It would be wrong
    to simply put that off until next October. Really!

    And I don't think it's really appropriate to characterize the
    disagreement as "feuding". Most disagreements derive from
    misunderstandings. As far as I can tell, misunderstandings about
    "revival" are at the core of this one.

    > The WG2 and UTC meetings are not the right battle fields for this.

    This is the list, Erkki. It is neither a WG2
    meeting nor a UTC meeting.

    If we cannot discuss these matters here in public, then there is no
    point in trying to encode this script at all.

    I urge you to read very carefully what I and Szabolcs and Ádám have
    written, and to evaluate our proposal (N3531) on its own merits.

    Michael Everson *

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