From: Mark Davis ⌛ (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Fri Aug 21 2009 - 11:20:25 CDT
At the time this was talked about, there didn't appear to be a lot of usage
as I recall. If there is now, you can file a proposal as outlined on
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 07:20, Danny Piccirillo
> I recently went looking for a Unicode Copyleft symbol and was surprised to
> find that one did not already exist. Upon Googling the matter, i found
> two<http://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/Archives-Old/UML022/0858.html>threads from 9 years ago. Why is there no Unicode Copyleft symbol? All
> arguments against it that may have held anything that long ago no longer do
> Thank you,
> > Proponents of the reversed copyright sign need to demonstrate, like
>> > everyone else, that the proposed character is in actual use.
>> As you might remember, the original intent for the copyleft character
>> inquiry comes from the groff (GNU troff) developer team. We are about
>> to move all documentation to the GNU Free Documentation License, a
>> copyleft license scheme available at
>> During this transition process, we recognized that there is no Unicode
>> character for the copyleft symbol. As our aim is (was?) to integrate
>> Unicode more deeply into the groff type-setting system, we delayed the
>> transition process.
>> So the 20+ documents in the groff package are supposed to use the
>> copyleft character, many thousands of documents in other GNU software
>> packages are on hold or actually do.
>> No doubt, you know about the strong market position of free software, so
>> you wouldn't want to have the unicode mail-list flooded with thousands
>> of mails proving or wanting to use of the character in question, would
>> > If you can find actual software documentation that says, for example,
>> > "Copyleft * 2000 by Bernd Warken" (where * substitutes for the
>> > copyleft symbol), then that would be more convincing evidence of the
>> > need to encode the character.
>> There are such documents. The manual pages groff(7), groff_tmac(5), and
>> roff(7) were written by me, with the legal ownership donated to the Free
>> Software Foundation. We would really like to use the copyleft sign as
>> soon as possible - with some U+xxxx code.
>> Bernd Warken <email@example.com>
> Aren't private-use characters to be used within relatively small,
>> well-contained organizations? ...hence the "private" in "private-use".
>> The copyleft idea, and now the copyleft character, will be used by a very
>> large number of people, or will at least be viewed by potentially many,
>> many people...with some people being part of the same organization, but
>> most coming from different ones. This would require different people
>> the world to agree upon the code point of the character, which makes it a
>> quasi-standard, which seems exactly opposite the purpose of private-use
>> Just stirring up dust,
>> John O'Conner
>> Markus Scherer wrote:
>> > sounds to me like a private-use character, similar to the apple symbol.
>> > markus
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