Re: Multiple private agreements (was: RE: Code pages and Unicode)

From: Andrew Cunningham <>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:24:57 +1000

so you will end up with the CSUR AND the registry Pilippe is
suggesting AND all the existing uses of PUA that will not end up in
CSUR or the other registry.

sounds like it will be a mess.

its bad enough dealing with Unicode and pseudo-Unicode in the Myanmar
script, adding PUA potentially into the mix .... ummm...

On 25 August 2011 11:55, Philippe Verdy <> wrote:
> 2011/8/24 Doug Ewell <>:
>> As Richard said, and you probably already know, there is no chance that
>> UTC will ever do anything with the PUA, especially anything that gives
>> the appearance of endorsing its use.  I'm just thankful they haven't
>> deprecated it.
> The appearance of endorsing its use would only come if the website
> describing the registry was using a frame using the Unicode logo.
> It can act exactly like the CSUR registry, as an independant project
> (with its own membership and participation policies), that would also
> be helpful for collaborating with liaison members, ISO NB's, or some
> local cultural organizations or collaborative projects.
> The focus of this registry would only be for helping the encoding
> process: registered PUAs or PUA ranges would not survive to finalized
> proposals that were formally proposed and rejected by both the UTC and
> WG2, and abandonned as well by its iniital promoters in the registry
> (no new updated proposal), or to proposals that have been finally
> released in the UCS (and there would likely be a short timeframe for
> the death of these registrations, probably not exceeding one year).
> It would be different from the CSUR, because CSUR also focuses on
> supported PUAs that will never be suppoorted in the UCS (for example,
> due to legal reasons, such as copyright which would restrict the
> publication of any "representative" glyph in the UCS charts), or
> creative/artistic designs
> (For example, I'm still not convinced that Klingon qualifies for
> encoding in the UCS, because of copyright restrictions and absence of
> a formal free licence from right owners; the same would apply to any
> collection of logos, including the logos of national or international
> standard bodies that you can find on lots of manufactured products and
> in their documentation, because the usage of these logos is severely
> restricted and often implies contractual assessments by those
> displaying it on their products or publications; this would also apply
> to corporate logos, even if they are widely used, sometimes with
> permission, but this time because these logos frequently change for
> marketing reasons).

Andrew Cunningham
Senior Project Manager, Research and Development
State Library of Victoria
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