# Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:09:01 +0200

2012/7/10 Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua_at_xn--mlform-iua.no>:
> Philippe Verdy, Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:50:03 +0200:
>> 2012/7/10 Leif Halvard Silli:
>>> Asmus Freytag, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0700:
>>>> The European use (this is not limited to Scandinavia)
>>>
>>> Thanks. It seems to me that that this tradition is not without a link
>>> to the (also) European tradition of *not* using the DIVISION SIGN (÷)
>>> for division.
>>
>> Why European ?
>
> We have 3 accounts which say that is European: I, Jukka and Asmus. It
> might be spread wider ... But perhaps your point was that it is more
> narrow? ;-)

Certainly more narrow. which is probably only for Nordic (Baltic?)
European countries. I just discovered this usage in this discussion.

At least in France we have never learnt that DIVISION SIGN (÷) could
be used for noting the substraction (we have very little interaction
with Nordic European languages, as all other languages around France
apparently have the same conventions for noting operators in their
languages : English, Dutch, German, Italian, Spanish ; and even Arabic
when it is still a large minority language in Metropolitan France or
in French overseas of the Indian Ocean).

I also doubbt that Russian even uses this Nordic convention.

At school (in the 1970's when I was a child) the DIVISION SIGN (÷) was
the first symbol ever tought for noting a division in an horizontal
formula. Long before the slash (/, independapntly of its encoding and
visual length), and then much later with the top-bottom notation using
an horizontal line. The division sign denotes in fact this long
horizontal linen where the dots are visually indicating the placements
of the operands.

: dividend | divisor
: - partial product +-------------------
: ---------------------- | quotient
: intermediate remainder |
: ... |
: remainder |

which was used to learn how to compute manually a division, whose
computed result could then be given using the horizontal formula with
the DIVISION SIGN (÷). We did not have calculators (they were
initially banned in French schools, we had to use paper and pen, or
learn to compute in our heads...) The first calculators were
authorized at end of the 1970's in secondary schools (but they were
stictly limited as their cost was still too expensive at this time for
many families).

All calculators appeared in France using the DIVISION SIGN (÷). This
is still true today (much more frequent than the slash which is only
seen and used on mechanical PC keyboards, but not even on virtual
keyboards on-screen used by calculator applications on PC or on
smartphones, even when they are localized in French).

The minus sign has always been taught as an horizontal line matching
the metrics of the plus sign (notations of neative numbers between
parentheses was used up to the end of the 1960's in some professional
accountings, but the traditional presentation does not even use
negative numbers but separate columns for debit/credits, so that all
numbers are positive only). Using (÷) in French for the substraction
would cause severe confusions (in France, Belgium, Luxembourg,
Switzerland, North Africa, the French overseas in several continents,