Re: Engmagate?

From: Asmus Freytag <>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:36:51 -0800

On 12/12/2013 6:38 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote:
> > Italic is not plain text.
> Is this the only thing that would have stopped you from advocating
> disunification?
> > Yeah. To heck with the end user and their pathetic preferences.
> Is a preference to have traditional and simplified CJK characters
> disunified more or less pathetic (and why) than the preference at hand?

The process has been plagued with the lack of knowledgeable and engaged
members from the affected communities where it comes to certain regions.

Ultimately any unification decision makes tradeoffs. Without the
communities involved, what you have is experts acting as self-appointed
representatives. Because tradeoffs by their nature have not only
benefits but also costs, I can fully understand a reluctance to change
the tradeoff based on any form of arms-length interaction.

In the CJK case, the communities were very actively involved - not all
their constituents were not unanimous, but they took part in the
development and ultimately approved the tradeoffs involved after a
lengthy and formal process.

As to whether the governments are the best representatives of their
communities depends very much on circumstances, so I'd like to support a
restatement of the comment made earlier:

This issue will not be really settled until the eng-using communities
get together and resolve which tradeoff works best for them. Let's hope
they do, and soon.

> Leo
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Michael Everson <
> <>> wrote:
> On 12 Dec 2013, at 22:25, Leo Broukhis <
> <>> wrote:
> > Hmmm... As a person with Russian as the first language I can
> assure you that from any literate Russian-speaking person's
> perspective italic ū is an unacceptable and *WRONG* representation
> of п (because in Russian, unlike Serbian, there is й). Should we
> bother disunifying?
> Italic is not plain text.
> > > I suppose nothing will happen until the governments of
> eng-using countries come together with a proposal.
> >
> > Let's hope so. I wish they never do.
> <irony>Yeah. To heck with the end user and their pathetic
> preferences.</irony>
> Michael Everson *
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