Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

From: Denis Jacquerye <>
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 13:30:12 +0000

Philippe, you are talking about 0027 APOSTROPHE, 2019 RIGHT SINGLE
John is clearly talking about 2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (or if you
want to stretch it 02BB MODIFIER LETTER TURNED COMMA) being used as a
substitute for superscript c.
They all look alike at small size or in some fonts, which explains your
misunderstanding even if John was explicit about it being a left single

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 at 12:48 Philippe Verdy <> wrote:

> Linguistically, it is an apostrophe, even if it's represented by a single
> quote (same as in French), because the "letter apostrophe" is not used
> (that letter apostrohpe was encoded in Unicode very late and there's no
> desire to change the mappings in French or Scottish). If you think it is a
> substitute only because the very superficial apparence of that superscript
> c, I think it is just a hack used by some old printer that did not have
> that letter in their case box. In 1798 printing a book was expensive and
> metal fonts were also costly, and writers acepted some minor transforms of
> their manuscript by the printer (and frequent typos as well). Later
> reeditions frequently correct these typos.
> Note that in French the right single quote is normally not used at all as
> a quotation mark, and when it appears between two letters it is
> unambiguously an apostrophe. I think the letter apostrophe was addede later
> in Unicode only for English to allow distrinctions. But I've rarely seen
> used. Later it was used as a substitute for a glottal stop in some
> Polynesian/Melanesian languages but the actual character was encoded and is
> preferable (its glyph is distinctive).
> 2017-01-04 12:44 GMT+01:00 John W Kennedy <>:
> No it isn’t. It isn’t an apostrophe; it’s a left single quote, although
> some modern printers mistakenly suppose it to be an apostrophe, and
> substitute one. And it isn’t an elision; it’s meant as a substitute glyph
> for a superscript c. (I confess that, not being from Scotland, I thought it
> to be an elision for over fifty years, but when I was preparing a
> transcription of William Dunlap’s “André: a Tragedy in Five Acts” [New
> York, 1798], in which a character named “M‘Donald” plays a major role, I
> looked into the matter, and was surprised to learn the truth.)
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 3:12 AM, Philippe Verdy <> wrote:
> This is the traditional use of the apostrophe to be used to marc an
> elision at end of words. Nothing new.
> 2017-01-04 6:36 GMT+01:00 John W Kennedy <>:
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Asmus Freytag <> wrote:
> >
> > On 1/3/2017 4:24 PM, Marcel Schneider wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:31:42 +0100, Christoph Päper wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Among the possibilities, you include Unicode subscripts.
> >>> Just for the sake of completeness.
> >> This tends to conclude that preformatted subscripts are really an
> option here.
> >
> > Not so. You yourself quote this statement:
> >
> > | Superscript modifier letters are intended for cases where the letters
> carry
> > | a specific meaning, as in phonetic transcription systems, and are not
> > | a substitute for generic styling mechanisms for superscripting of text,
> > | as for footnotes, mathematical and chemical expressions, and the like.
> >
> > It is clear that the uses that you advocate go against this intent.
> >
> > Therefore, your conclusion that this is "an option" is nothing more than
> a very personal
> > opinion on your part (and one that many people here would consider
> misguided if
> > presented as general recommendation).
> >
> > A./
> As long as this is being discussed, what about the historic practice of
> using M‘ (nowadays often seen as M’ instead) in Scottish names—e.g.,
> M‘Donald—as a typographic substitute for M(superscript c)?
> --
> John W Kennedy
> Having switched to a Mac in disgust at Microsoft's combination of
> incompetence and criminality.
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