From rick@unicode.org Wed Dec 5 13:11:32 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:18:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from izanami (c-71-202-247-55.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.247.55]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id lB5JBJVP015606; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:11:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200712051911.lB5JBJVP015606@unicode.org> To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: New Public Review Issue: Proposed Draft UAX #44 Unicode Character Database Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:11:20 -0800 From: Rick McGowan received: by Apple.Mailer (2.95.2) X-archive-position: 290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: rick@unicode.org Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users The Unicode Consortium announces a new proposed draft UAX #44, Unicode Character Database. This annex consolidates information documenting the Unicode Character Database. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/ See also: http://www.unicode.org/review/#pri118 Review period for the draft closes on January 28, 2008. If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by submitting your comments through our feedback & reporting page: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html If you wish to discuss issues on the Unicode mail list, then please use the following link to subscribe (if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc. From rick@unicode.org Thu Dec 6 11:38:28 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:43:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from izanami (c-71-202-247-55.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.247.55]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id lB6HcDZn026273; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:38:17 -0600 Message-Id: <200712061738.lB6HcDZn026273@unicode.org> To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Unicode 5.1.0 Beta Information Update Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:38:15 -0800 From: Rick McGowan received: by Apple.Mailer (2.95.2) X-archive-position: 291 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: rick@unicode.org Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users The Unicode 5.1 (draft) web page has recently been updated with new text on Malayalam additions. The most important new characters for Malayalam are the six new chillu characters, U+0D7A - U+0D7F. There are a number of important issues in this new text, including some where feedback is requested. Please see: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/#Significant_Character_Additions If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by submitting your comments through our feedback & reporting page: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html If you wish to discuss issues on the Unicode mail list, then please use the following link to subscribe (if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc. From v-magdad@microsoft.com Tue Dec 11 11:10:23 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:10:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (smtp.microsoft.com [131.107.115.214]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBBHAMZr031358; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:10:23 -0600 Received: from TK5-EXHUB-C102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.70.72) by TK5-EXGWY-E803.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.169) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.222.3; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:10:17 -0800 Received: from NA-EXMSG-C125.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.61.91]) by TK5-EXHUB-C102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.70.72]) with mapi; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:10:17 -0800 From: "Magda Danish (Unicode)" To: " (unicode@unicode.org)" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:10:16 -0800 Subject: New Unicode FAQs posted Thread-Topic: New Unicode FAQs posted Thread-Index: AQHIPBizYY9NtuJ89kSvJ6HZRjB7pA== Message-ID: <871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B5C81952@NA-EXMSG-C125.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B5C81952NAEXMSGC125re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-archive-position: 292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: v-magdad@microsoft.com Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users --_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B5C81952NAEXMSGC125re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are new FAQs available on the Unicode site: * How are Unicode FAQs created? * What is the Unicode Editorial Committee? * When are new Unicode FAQs created? * What can I do if I think there is an error in an FAQ answer? * How does an FAQ relate to a Unicode specification? * What can I do if I think there is an error in the Unicode Standard or = other specification? See http://www.unicode.org/faq/basic_q.html#28 Magda Danish Sr. Administrative Director Unicode, Inc. --_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B5C81952NAEXMSGC125re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B5C81952NAEXMSGC125re_-- From rick@unicode.org Wed Dec 12 19:07:42 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:12:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from izanami (c-71-202-247-55.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.247.55]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id lBD17TNk015359; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:07:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200712130107.lBD17TNk015359@unicode.org> To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Unicode glossary update Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:07:29 -0800 From: Rick McGowan received: by Apple.Mailer (2.95.2) X-archive-position: 293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: rick@unicode.org Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users There has been an update to the definition of the term "Unicode" itself in the Unicode glossary: http://www.unicode.org/glossary/#unicode Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc. From v-magdad@microsoft.com Wed Dec 19 09:02:09 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:02:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (mail1.microsoft.com [131.107.115.212]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBJF288Y006053; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:02:09 -0600 Received: from tk1-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.56.116.117) by TK5-EXGWY-E801.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.222.3; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:02:03 -0800 Received: from NA-EXMSG-C125.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.61.91]) by tk1-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.56.116.117]) with mapi; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:02:03 -0800 From: "Magda Danish (Unicode)" To: " (unicode@unicode.org)" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:02:02 -0800 Subject: Unicode announces a new membership level for students Thread-Topic: Unicode announces a new membership level for students Thread-Index: AchBxnO+pPLT7x59SOuJwME4XKc3bAAiDJ0/ Message-ID: <871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B737E9B1@NA-EXMSG-C125.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B737E9B1NAEXMSGC125re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-archive-position: 294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: v-magdad@microsoft.com Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users --_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B737E9B1NAEXMSGC125re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To better support students with an interest in internationalization, locali= zation, and the support of natural languages in software, the Unicode Cons= ortium introduced a new level of membership for students, enabling them to = have full access to documentation, email lists, and technical discussions o= n questions of supporting writing systems and languages in software algorit= hms and protocols. For more information see http://www.unicode.org/consortium/levels.html#stud= ent. To join as a student, see http://www.unicode.org/consortium/joinform.html. --------------------------- Magda Danish Sr. Administrative Director The Unicode Consortium 650-693-3921 magda@unicode.org --_000_871A62EA91884849A3BE952CA63832D016B737E9B1NAEXMSGC125re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Magda Danish
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The Unicode Consortium
650-693-3921
magda@unicode.org
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------=_Part_30062_30724164.1198089759285-- From asmodai@in-nomine.org Wed Dec 19 13:14:59 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:14:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org (chronias-old.xs4all.nl [82.95.168.248]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBJJEwCg011983 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:14:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AAFC1DD; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:14:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at in-nomine.org Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nexus.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wUNWFa-elodj; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:14:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E3DBC1D4; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:14:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:14:56 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Mark Davis Cc: Ed Trager , cldr-users@unicode.org Subject: Re: CLDR Usage of Gregorian Calendar Era Terms: BC and AD -- Can we please have "CE" and "BCE" ? Message-ID: <20071219191456.GD68919@nexus.in-nomine.org> References: <416e2cf10712190901nd689c96w7a96b392ab2bd196@mail.gmail.com> <416e2cf10712190912u485f0a18sa0c6af205652d834@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20712191042r2f438466t9148392c9e0a574d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <30b660a20712191042r2f438466t9148392c9e0a574d@mail.gmail.com> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-archive-position: 296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: asmodai@in-nomine.org Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users -On [20071219 19:57], Mark Davis (mark.davis@icu-project.org) wrote: >The goal for CLDR is to use the most customary, recognizable terms for whatever >the language in question. You can file a bug on the CLDR site presenting >evidence that CE and BCE are more commonly used and understood than AD and BC. BC never existed in Dutch. AD did. However in Dutch we commonly use v.Chr. and n.Chr. to denote BC and AD respectively. Some might even use v.d.j. instead of v.Chr. to denote 'before the year count', but it's not in popular use. Seems Spain uses or has proposed NE/n.e. for nuestra era and ANE/a.n.a. for antes de nuestra era. On the other hand, using BC and AD seems to be standard for large international organizations such as the United Nations. Even if you relabel BC and AD to supposedly more religiously correct terms such as BCE and CE it will not change the fact it starts counting with the birth of the religious historical figure of Jesus Christ. So however you call it, there's still a Christian basis. And I think that's a debate very outside the scope of CLDR. (Do not forget that people in Thailand live in 2550 now if using Buddhist counting or 1428 for the Muslims.) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ In every stone sleeps a crystal... From srl@icu-project.org Wed Dec 19 14:11:50 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:11:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.monkey.sbay.org (monkey.sbay.org [216.27.178.44]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBJKBoWh024927 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:11:50 -0600 Received: from [129.42.184.35] (helo=tintin-009043033114.sanjose.ibm.com) by mail.monkey.sbay.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.50) id 1J55Gg-00041v-9Q for cldr-users@unicode.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:11:50 -0800 Message-Id: <30568B1B-BC39-4EB0-A80B-207170A62A61@icu-project.org> From: "Steven R. Loomis" To: cldr-users@unicode.org In-Reply-To: <20071219191456.GD68919@nexus.in-nomine.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: CLDR Usage of Gregorian Calendar Era Terms: BC and AD -- Can we please have "CE" and "BCE" ? Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:11:48 -0800 References: <416e2cf10712190901nd689c96w7a96b392ab2bd196@mail.gmail.com> <416e2cf10712190912u485f0a18sa0c6af205652d834@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20712191042r2f438466t9148392c9e0a574d@mail.gmail.com> <20071219191456.GD68919@nexus.in-nomine.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by unicode.org id lBJKBoWh024927 X-archive-position: 297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: srl@icu-project.org Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users Just some correction to the original mail, The "key" is not BC or AD, it is 0 or 1, designating the two eras used by Gregorian. The text given in the Survey Tool is by comparison from English. CLDR root data already uses BCE/CE http://unicode.org/cldr/data/common/main/root.xml for eras 0 and 1 BC/AD are in "en" as the most recognizable for English http://unicode.org/cldr/data/common/main/en.xml -s On 19 Diċ 2007, at 11:14, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > -On [20071219 19:57], Mark Davis (mark.davis@icu-project.org) wrote: >> The goal for CLDR is to use the most customary, recognizable terms >> for whatever >> the language in question. You can file a bug on the CLDR site >> presenting >> evidence that CE and BCE are more commonly used and understood than >> AD and BC. > > BC never existed in Dutch. AD did. However in Dutch we commonly use > v.Chr. and > n.Chr. to denote BC and AD respectively. > > Some might even use v.d.j. instead of v.Chr. to denote 'before the > year > count', but it's not in popular use. > > Seems Spain uses or has proposed NE/n.e. for nuestra era and ANE/ > a.n.a. for > antes de nuestra era. > > On the other hand, using BC and AD seems to be standard for large > international organizations such as the United Nations. > > Even if you relabel BC and AD to supposedly more religiously correct > terms > such as BCE and CE it will not change the fact it starts counting > with the > birth of the religious historical figure of Jesus Christ. So however > you call > it, there's still a Christian basis. And I think that's a debate > very outside > the scope of CLDR. (Do not forget that people in Thailand live in > 2550 now if > using Buddhist counting or 1428 for the Muslims.) > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai > イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン > http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ > In every stone sleeps a crystal... > From patrick.andries@xcential.com Wed Dec 19 14:19:47 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:19:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from skywalker.myinternetwebhost.com (skywalker.myinternetwebhost.com [69.90.236.45]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBJKJk2t031278 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:19:47 -0600 Received: from UnknownHost [198.135.224.110] by skywalker.myinternetwebhost.com with SMTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:21:31 -0800 Message-ID: <47697C97.9090509@xcential.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:18:31 -0800 From: Patrick Andries User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven CC: Mark Davis , Ed Trager , cldr-users@unicode.org Subject: Re: CLDR Usage of Gregorian Calendar Era Terms: BC and AD -- Can we please have "CE" and "BCE" ? References: <416e2cf10712190901nd689c96w7a96b392ab2bd196@mail.gmail.com> <416e2cf10712190912u485f0a18sa0c6af205652d834@mail.gmail.com> <30b660a20712191042r2f438466t9148392c9e0a574d@mail.gmail.com> <20071219191456.GD68919@nexus.in-nomine.org> In-Reply-To: <20071219191456.GD68919@nexus.in-nomine.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: patrick.andries@xcential.com Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven a écrit : > > On the other hand, using BC and AD seems to be standard for large > international organizations such as the United Nations. > When writing in English. In the French speaking world and in large international organizations, the only really popular abbreviations are "av. J.-C." and "ap. J.-C.". http://www.un.org/french/pubs/chronique/2003/numero4/0403p68.asp « Vers 7000-6000 av. J.-C., leurs descendants se sont également mis à la culture. La première culture fut celle du sorgho, plante aujourd'hui cultivée dans le monde entier (voir photos offertes par l'auteur).» http://www.amazon.fr/romaines-J-C-476-Goldsworthy-langlais-P%C3%A9castaing-Boissi%C3%A8re/dp/2746701103 « Les guerres romaines, 281 av. J.-C.-476 ap. J.-C. » I am unaware of a French official equivalent of BCE or CE, one very rarely sees « Ère commune » and some perceive it as an imitation (a bad translation ?) of an English usage. P. A.* * From asmodai@in-nomine.org Mon Dec 31 04:00:07 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:00:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org (chronias-old.xs4all.nl [82.95.168.248]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBVA06OS003424 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:00:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51824C23F for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:00:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at in-nomine.org Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nexus.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tn6bU-LrpO89 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:00:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 649B2C23E; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:00:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:00:04 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: cldr-users@unicode.org Subject: Language tags Message-ID: <20071231100004.GR82632@nexus.in-nomine.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-archive-position: 299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: asmodai@in-nomine.org Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users I am not entirely sure if this on- or off-topic for this list, but I am assuming the people here are knowledgeable about this. Is there a decent write up somewhere that details the current roadmap with regard to language tags? Or should everything be contained within IETF RFC 4646 and RFC 4647? Do the webbrowsers even support this yet? I ask since I want to make sure Babel (http://babel.edgewall.org/) supports the tags as well as possible and have the required mappings in place. Thanks in advance for any hints/pointers, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ One from many... From addison@yahoo-inc.com Mon Dec 31 11:44:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list cldr-users); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:44:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.228.150]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBVHiApT000427 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:44:11 -0600 Received: from [10.72.76.161] (snvvpn2-10-72-76-c161.corp.yahoo.com [10.72.76.161]) by rsmtp2.corp.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.rout) with ESMTP id lBVHhvoT016215; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:43:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g7Xusddi631QLQpckmmfJvw9acA3r1TZkZHGR+EJhUP1OY4yiatiXyGqBKIhAP5f Message-ID: <47792A5B.8020802@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:43:55 -0800 From: Addison Phillips User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven CC: cldr-users@unicode.org Subject: Re: Language tags References: <20071231100004.GR82632@nexus.in-nomine.org> In-Reply-To: <20071231100004.GR82632@nexus.in-nomine.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: cldr-users-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: addison@yahoo-inc.com Precedence: bulk X-list: cldr-users Some people here might know something about this ;-). Basically, the LTRU-WG at IETF is finishing an update of RFC 4646---this update will allow the ISO 639-3 codes to be used as primary language subtags. For most purposes, you can treat the update as interchangeable with 4646. I expect that this work will go to Last Call early in 2008. CLDR, of course, uses BCP 47 tags as the basis for locale identifiers. ICU, at least through 3.8, provides some support for BCP 47 (but not full validation or well-formed checking). Good references exist. Stephane Bortzmeyer has a nice list on www.langtag.net. The W3C also has some nice materials. See, in particular: http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/language There is also a now-outdated article (taken from one I wrote) located here which is still a useful introduction: http://www.w3.org/International/articles/bcp47/ Note that macrolanguage handling did not ultimately follow the path shown in this article (using 'extended language' subtags). The latest draft of the update is always linked from my personal web site: http://www.inter-locale.com Browser support is a bit complicated: the browsers mostly supply a list of common tags, all of which are valid BCP 47 tags. IE7 does best, at present, since it provides a number of script-using tags (for Chinese, Serbian, etc.). None of the current crop of browsers provides a well-formed or validating tag processor, though, and Firefox, annoyingly, *removed* the feature allowing users to specify their own language tags. Both IE and Opera allow users to enter new tags not supplied in their built-in list (but without validation). I can't even find the language options in Safari (for Windows--the Mac's at the office). Hope that helps. Best Regards, Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > I am not entirely sure if this on- or off-topic for this list, but I am > assuming the people here are knowledgeable about this. > > Is there a decent write up somewhere that details the current roadmap with > regard to language tags? Or should everything be contained within IETF RFC > 4646 and RFC 4647? Do the webbrowsers even support this yet? > > I ask since I want to make sure Babel (http://babel.edgewall.org/) supports > the tags as well as possible and have the required mappings in place. > > Thanks in advance for any hints/pointers, >