From rick@unicode.org Fri Jan 20 11:44:50 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list hebrew); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:22:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from izanami (c-67-180-167-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.167.17]) by unicode.org (8.13.4/8.12.11) with SMTP id k0KHicD9020292; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:44:39 -0600 Message-Id: <200601201744.k0KHicD9020292@unicode.org> To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: [hebrew] New Public Review Issue: UAX #14 proposed update Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:44:33 -0800 From: Rick McGowan received: by Apple.Mailer (2.95.2) X-archive-position: 2988 X-Approved-By: cowan@ccil.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: rick@unicode.org Precedence: bulk X-list: hebrew The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review period for the new item closes on January 30, 2006. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents. Briefly, the new issue is: Proposed Update UAX #14: Line Breaking Properties http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-18.html The UTC has modified the conformance clauses of UAX #14 and the text they reference. These changes clarify precisely what is tailorable in conformant implementations and what is not. The non-tailorable results are limited to interactions among a small set of well-defined core characters, such as CR, LF, NBSP, SP, and so on, where the semantics of the characters is bound up in how they linebreak. The rules of the algorithm have been reordered and restated to allow free tailorability of most rules and the character properties they depend upon, except for those rules involving the core set. Reviewers should note that all the rules were renumbered, with a correspondence table between rule numbers in the Modifications section. The default assignments to linebreak classes for certain South East Asian scripts have been adjusted to make it easier to interface with the kind of external algorithm needed to handle these scripts correctly. A few rules have been added or modified to better reflect the behavior of currency characters (and similar characters) in numbers, and the use of words like "person(s)". Other minor adjustments have been made to line break classes, rules and text. If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by submitting your comments through our feedback & reporting page: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html If you wish to discuss issues on the Unicode mail list, then please use the following link to subscribe (if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc. From rick@unicode.org Fri Jan 20 12:41:45 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list hebrew); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:56:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from izanami (c-67-180-167-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.167.17]) by unicode.org (8.13.4/8.12.11) with SMTP id k0KIfb7f027746; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:41:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200601201841.k0KIfb7f027746@unicode.org> To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: [hebrew] New Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Script Names Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:41:38 -0800 From: Rick McGowan received: by Apple.Mailer (2.95.2) X-archive-position: 2989 X-Approved-By: cowan@ccil.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: rick@unicode.org Precedence: bulk X-list: hebrew The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review period for the new item closes on January 30, 2006. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents. Briefly, the new issue is: Proposed Update to UAX #24: Script Names http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/tr24-8.html This proposed update contains a proposed change in default script value for unassigned characters from Common to a new value Unknown, and a correction for the contents of the Script=Inherited value. If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by submitting your comments through our feedback & reporting page: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html If you wish to discuss issues on the Unicode mail list, then please use the following link to subscribe (if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc. From k_isoetc@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 13:23:08 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list hebrew); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:31:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from web53810.mail.yahoo.com (web53810.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.205]) by unicode.org (8.13.4/8.12.11) with SMTP id k0QJMglw007345 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:23:08 -0600 Received: (qmail 14968 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2006 19:22:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ibLLckYIlVKGBW7dcs59ut0WKI99iaqYbAXRkBJ4bSYg27DuHoATBifveCMyUDeS/LeA6ddWtLT6EH0tmpWk7ezQDMhliidmUUTasAwAHaqlgfC7CQV2G2E6gAbcq1P+1qk8m+JNN4XhWYv97tBs31gGIMkiajoRyDxW3Mb/yQ0= ; Message-ID: <20060126192236.14966.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [139.55.9.171] by web53810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:22:35 PST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Keown" Subject: [hebrew] maqaf To: unicode@unicode.org, hebrew@unicode.org In-Reply-To: <012620061815.16728.43D911C00003BC0C0000415821979128020299010A059D0A@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 2990 X-Approved-By: cowan@ccil.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: k_isoetc@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: hebrew Elaine Keown in middle America Hi, I have forwarded the suggested maqaf proposal http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2006-m01/0008.html to a professor of Modern Hebrew at UMass, Shmuel Bolozky. I also sent it to his programmer, Ben Gelbart. Prof. Bolozky and Mr. Gelbart are among a group of Israelis who are working on building a modern Hebrew corpus. I'm very glad this issue came up this way. I became aware recently that some Hebrew marks are still used in modern Hebrew poetry. I only know their Biblical usage, alas. I also suggested that Prof. Bolozky send the suggested proposal to "Hebrew Linguistics: A Journal for Hebrew Descriptive, Computational and Applied Linguistics"--if they have an electronic discussion group. Elaine Keown __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From peterkirk@qaya.org Thu Jan 26 18:03:33 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list hebrew); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:31:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.link77.net (mail.kastanet.org [208.145.81.89]) by unicode.org (8.13.4/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0R03ReD004623 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:03:33 -0600 X-ExternalMail: External X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [213.162.124.237] (account peter_kirk@kastanet.org HELO [10.0.0.3]) by mail.link77.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 102575568; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <43D96351.8030307@qaya.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:03:29 +0000 From: Peter Kirk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "E. Keown" CC: hebrew@unicode.org Subject: [hebrew] Re: maqaf References: <20060126192236.14966.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060126192236.14966.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2991 X-Approved-By: cowan@ccil.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: hebrew-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: peterkirk@qaya.org Precedence: bulk X-list: hebrew On 26/01/2006 19:22, E. Keown wrote: > Elaine Keown > in middle America > >Hi, > >I have forwarded the suggested maqaf proposal >http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2006-m01/0008.html > > > Elaine, thank you for copying this link to this list. It is good to know on this list when Hebrew-related matters come up on the main Unicode lists, as we Hebrew experts do not have the time or patience to keep up with the main list. It seems to me a sensible proposal. It is right that maqaf was not completely unified with hyphen-minus, for they are identical neither in shape nor in function. The function of maqaf in biblical Hebrew is subtly different from that of hyphen in English etc: it is to indicate that two orthographic words are to be pronounced as a single phonological word. But it is also right that maqaf and hyphen-minus are treated as equivalent for most purposes, and that in at least some circumstances maqaf is folded with hyphen-minus. -- Peter Kirk peter@qaya.org (personal) peterkirk@qaya.org (work) http://www.qaya.org/