L2/08-422 Subject: Scripts Subcommittee Draft Report Source: Rick McGowan Date: Monday November 3, 2008 C.12 Proposal for Alchemy Symbols in Unicode [Newman, L2/08-390] * Discussion. Table 2 looks pretty good. Lots of agreement. Possibly use Var Sequences for some things in Table 3, as well as some of the things in Table 2 that are of similar nature. They will produce a revised proposal. More discussion to take place off-line. E.3 Myanmar E.3.1 Proposal to change some characters for Myanmar Unicode 5.1 [L2/08-408] [117-A] Action Item for Eric Muller: Take the action to reply to author that everything is fine. C.4.1 Proposal to encode modern Bamum in the SMP [SEI/Everson, L2/08-350] * Brief discussion. C.5 Latin C.5.1 Proposal for Latin Cyrillic disunification [Ellert, L2/08-251] * Old tones for an old orthography not in modern use. Not useful and poses security issues. [117-A] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to author (Ellert L2/08-251). No consensus to take action. C.5.2 Proposal to encode four Latin letters [Pentzlin, L2/08-404] * Consensus emerging to not encode the first two things. Could proceed with the encoding of the N and n with descender at U+A790 and U+A791 (which we don't have encoded now.) Possible instructions to liaison. C.5.3 Proposal to encode 10 Latin letters with diagonal stroke [Pentzlin, L2/08-405] * Consensus that this needs more study. The proposal has to address 1E4C (long s with stroke). Needs to address to what extent these are simply fraktur font variants of existing characters. * Proposal doesn't consider the other point of view: what is the problem with using existing forms and mapping them into fraktur. [117-A] Action Item for Rick McGowan, Ken Whistler: Formulate a response to the author of L2/08-405. C.13 Proposal to encode a combining diacritical mark for Low German dialect writing [Pentzlin, L2/08-392] * No consenus to encode triple breve below. C.10 Proposal to add two characters for New Tai Lue to the BMP [Everson, L2/08-395] * Need to get R version of the document. This is part of WG2 consent doc. C.14 Proposal to disunify Zhuang tone letters from their Cyrillic look-alikes [Pentzlin, L2/08-393] * Moves to agenda item C.5.1 C.3 Proposal to encode additional Unified Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics [SEI/Everson, L2/08-342] * Part of this has to do with chars that were moved. Need to fix up block assignments. There are also some chars to be reviewed that aren't in consent docket. Can take up later in Feb. New doc to come from Michael and Chris Harvey re harmonization and re-ordering. RECOMMENDATION: [117-C] Consensus: Accept the repertoire of 41 characters in L2/08-342, except for the 2 without attestation (18D2 and 18D8). C.4.2 Proposal to encode Old Bamum in the SMP [SEI/Everson, L2/08-351] * Doc not yet approved for SEI release. Brief status discussion. * Push this agenda item to the next meeting. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Put C.4.2 Old Bamum on next UTC agenda. C.9 Old Hungarian C.9.1 Revised proposal to encode the Old Hungarian script (WG2 N3531) [Everson, Szelp, L2/08-356] C.9.2 Hungarian Native Writing (WG2 N3526) [Gábor, L2/08-353] C.9.3 Szekler-Hungarian Rovas (WG2 N3527) [Hosszú, L2/08-354] C.9.4 Mapping between two Old Hungarian proposals (WG2 N3532) [[Everson, Szelp, L2/08-355] * Michael will meet with Gabor Hosszu on Wednesday. * No further discussion. ------------------------------------------------------ Day 2, Tuesday, November 4, 2008 Meeting opened at 9:45 Present: Adobe, Apple, IBM, MS, Sybase, UCB, Sun (proxy). C.6 Kana C.6.1 Letter from Nozomu Kato to UTC, re Kana [Kato, L2/08-257] C.6.2 Japan's Input to N3388 (Two Kana Characters) (WG2 N3528) [Japan NB, L2/08-358] C.6.3 About WG2 N3528 [Kato, L2/08-359] C.6.4 Related documents [L2/07-421, L2/08-117, L2/08-257] RECOMMENDATION: [117-C] Consensus: Encode the Hiragana char immediately to re-sync with WG2's acceptance in the consent docket. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Debbie Anderson: Add ballot comments for Amd 7 urging Japan to continue investigation toward encoding the Katakana char. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Follow up with author of L2/08-359 (Kato) to seek other experts who want to see this encoded. C.2 CJK C.2.4 Revised proposal for Six urgently needed characters submitted for inclusion [Hong Kong SAR, L2/08-372] * Recommend to UTC to formally accept these 5. * And they need to be removed from Extension D. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action item for Richard Cook check Extension D for duplication of chars in L2/08-372. C.2.5 Proposal to add several named USIs derived from JIS X 0213 [Japan NB, L2/08-374] RECOMMENDATION: [117-C] Consensus: Accept these USIs, with "Rising Symbol" name changed as appropriate. * Put this to a vote in UTC. C.2.1 Unihan feedback [Smith, L2/08-281] RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Rick McGowan, Richard Cook: Deal with document L2/08-281. Make corrections if needed, and report to UTC if larger issues. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Richard Cook, Eric Muller, and Michel Suignard: Use Unihan to correct any IRG source mappings. See Eric's earlier e-mail. ** Added agenda item C.2.6 for Multi-Column CJK Charts C.2.2 Proposal to add SuperCJK 14.0 index data to Unihan [Cook, Lunde, L2/08-264] RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for John Jenkins, Richard Cook, Michel Suignard, Eric Muller: Come up with a plan for how to progress Unihan data to the point where we understand which parts are officially part of the standard and how do we maintain the provisional and all other data in a way that makes it most useful for QA and development of the standard. C.2.3 Proposal to Add a Set of Compatibility Ideographs for Government Use [Japan NB, L2/08-371] RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Eric Muller: Examine the proposed repertoire in L2/08-371 and identify the delta between Adobe J1 and what Japan is proposing so we can provide feedback to Japan for the registration alternatives. C.2.6 Multicolumn CJK charts (Suignard) RECOMMENDATION [117-A] Action Item for John Jenkins: Provide a U-source font to Michel for multi-column chart printing. 94 characters. B.3.2 IRG Issues B.3.3 IRG Issues RECOMMENDATION [117-A] Action Item for John Jenkins: Follow through with John Knightley on Annex S revision. C.1 Tangut * Andrew must provide the entire list of things that he thinks need to be changed in the Tangut proposal. * Consensus in subcom is that UTC should not approve any work on Tangut radicals, which detracts from the work of encoding the repertoire itself. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Debbie Anderson, Richard Cook: Follow up with Andrew West about L2/08-349. Request Andrew to be specific about what should and should not be unified in the Tangut repertoire. New agenda item added: C.14 Manichaean update doc. C.11.1 Review of Nushu Proposal (WG2 N3449) [UK NB, L2/08-345] * Discussion. Nothing to do at this time. C.14 Manichean [Everson, Durkin-Meisterernst, L2/08-271R2] * Discussion. We'll get a revised doc from Michael, and vote at next UTC. C.7 Comments on Old South Arabian Names in N4034 [SEI/Anderson, L2/08-348] * Discussion. This is in the consent docket. Recommend to accept the names, as long as it's agreeable with the experts. * Remove all the transliterations and cross references to Ethiopic from the names list and put them into a table in the block intro. RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Debbie Anderson: Follow up with the experts re the names list issues in Old South Arabian. * Reviewed South Asia Subcommittee Report draft C.8 The answer to the questions from Richard Cook and Deborah Anderson (Dongba/Geba) [China NB, L2/08-378] * Brief discussion. No actions. C.15.1 Ghost Characters: Atomization-Combination Theory [Durrani, L2/08-343] RECOMMENDATION: [117-A] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Send another clarification that the Arabic model cannot be changed, and clarify the intended role of the spacing nuqtas that were previously encoded. RECOMMENDATION: [117-C] Consensus: Accept the movement and block change into the presentation area, as in the consent docket. Adjourned for the day at 4:30.