L2/18-272

Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 157
Sunnyvale, CA — September 18-20, 2018
Hosted by Apple
UTC #157 Agenda
Revision date: October 29, 2018

Tuesday, September 18, 2018

Meeting opened at 10:30 am.

8.5 members in regular attendance. Quorum is 4.5.

7 members represented: Adobe, Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Facebook, UCB, Google (proxy).

Introductions, logistics, and reminders.

A.5.2.1 Review of open action items [L2/SD2]

Google now represented in person.

[157-C1] Consensus: Approve the minutes of UTC #156 as documented in L2/18-183.

Meeting schedule adjustments, reducing some meetings to 4 days:

• UTC #158 January 14-17, 2019
• UTC #159 April 30 - May 3, 2019
• UTC #160 July 23-26, 2019
• UTC #161 Oct 7-10, 2019
• UTC #162 Jan 13-16, 2020
• UTC #163 April 21-24, 2020, hosted by Adobe

B.15.3 Tai Tham ad hoc report

Oral report by Liang Hai.

B.14.2 Freeze Bidi maximum explicit level at 125 [Scherer, L2/18-296]

[157-C2] Consensus: Document in UBA (UAX #9) BD2 that the max_depth of 125 will not change.

[157-A1] Action Item for Markus Scherer, Editorial Committee: Update the UBA (UAX #9) to note that max_depth of 125 will not change.

[157-A2] Action Item for Markus Scherer, Editorial Committee: Create a proposed update of UAX #9 for Unicode 12.0. See consensus 157-C2.

[157-A3] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Post a PRI for UAX #9 to close January 7, 2019.

[157-M1] Motion: Request that the officers create a stability policy that the max_depth BD2 in UAX #9 will not change.

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Peter Edberg.

3 for (Apple, Google, IBM)
0 opposed
4.5 abstain (Facebook, Adobe, Microsoft, UCB, Emojipedia)

Motion fails.

B.14.1 Proposed fix for character name restrictions on use of hyphen-minus [Whistler, L2/18-267R]

Discussion of L2/18-267R.

Lunch break and emoji ad-hoc 12:30 - 13:50.

Continued discussion of L2/18-267R.

[157-C3] Consensus: Rewrite R3 of Section 4.8 in the core specification as specified in L2/18-267R to clarify the restriction on character names for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A4] Action Item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Rewrite R3 of Section 4.8 in the core specification as specified in L2/18-267R, for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A5] Action Item for Ken Whistler, Michel Suignard: Investigate corresponding naming rules in 10646.

B.11.2 Issue 379: Proposed Update UAX #44, Unicode Character Database

[157-A6] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Extend PRI #379 to close January 7, 2019.

C.8 Proposal to encode the Palaeohispanic script [Ferrer, et al, L2/18-283]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

D.4 Error in three Wancho character names [Anderson, L2/18-264]

[157-C4] Consensus: Correct 3 Wancho character names to: U+1E2ED WANCHO TONE TUPNI, U+1E2EE WANCHO TONE KOI, and U+1E2EF WANCHO TONE KOINI.

[157-A7] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to correct 3 Wancho character names to: U+1E2ED WANCHO TONE TUPNI, U+1E2EE WANCHO TONE KOI, and U+1E2EF WANCHO TONE KOINI.

C.9 Preliminary proposal for encoding the Yezidi script in the SMP of the UCS (revision 1) [Karaca, et al, L2/18-284]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

C.11 Feedback on N4836 (L2/17-236) Proposal to add LATIN LETTER THORN WITH DIAGONAL to the UCS STROKE [Stokes, et al, L2/18-286]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

C.10 Further information on Khitan Small Script clusters [Anderson, L2/18-285]

[157-C5] Consensus: Change the glyph for U+16FE4 KHITAN SMALL SCRIPT FILLER from "KITSF" to "KSSF" as documented in section 9 of L2/18-300.

E.1.1 ESC Recommendations for 2018Q3 UTC [ESC, L2/18-307]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

Short break.

C.6 Comments on proposed Vietnamese Reading Marks [West, et al, L2/18-281]

[157-A8] Action Item for Lee Collins: Provide a response to L2/18-281.

On phone: John Jenkins.

B.3.2 US/Unicode Activity Report for IRG #51 [Lunde, L2/18-295]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.3.3 IRG Working Set 2015 Version 6.0 (IRG N2308) & Draft Extension G (WG2 N5006) [IRG, L2/18-268]

[157-A9] Action Item for Ken Lunde: Update L2/18-268 by replacing the extension G with the latest extension G.

B.3.4 IRG Working Set 2017 Version 2.0 (IRG N2309) [IRG, L2/18-269]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.3.5 IRG N2309 IRG Working Set 2017 Version 2.0 UTC Comments [UTC/Lunde, L2/18-270]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.4.1 Additional document for kMainlandTelegraph changes [Chung, L2/18-263]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.4.2 Request to add 15 U-source ideographs [Chung, L2/18-288]

[157-C6] Consensus: Add the fifteen characters documented in L2/18-288 to UAX #45, with status "N", for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A10] Action Item for John Jenkins: Add the fifteen characters documented in L2/18-288 to UAX #45, with status "N", for Unicode version 12.0.

B.4.3 Proposed kTaiwanTelegraph changes [Chung, L2/18-289]

[157-A11] Action Item for John Jenkins: Update provisional properties based on L2/18-263 and L2/18-289, for Unicode version 12.0.

B.4.4 Proposal to add 9 Taiwanese and 2 Hakka ideographs to UAX #45 [Burkimsher, L2/18-290]

[157-C7] Consensus: Add the eleven characters documented in L2/18-290 to UAX #45, with status "N", for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A12] Action Item for John Jenkins: Add the eleven characters documented in L2/18-290 to UAX #45, with status "N", for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A13] Action Item for Ken Lunde: Respond to authors of L2/18-288 and L2/18-290, with the outcome.

B.4.5 Draft Revised IICore Radical-stroke Charts [Jenkins, L2/18-291]

[157-A14] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Replace the current IICore radical stroke chart with an update based on L2/18-291.

B.4.6 UAX #45 Radical-stroke Charts [Jenkins, L2/18-292]

[157-A15] Action Item for John Jenkins: Fix the radical stroke information in UAX #45 for the entries UTC02931 through UTC02934, for Unicode version 12.0. See document L2/18-292.

[157-A16] Action Item for John Jenkins: Provide more correct USource identifiers when printing the radical stroke information. See document L2/18-292.

B.4.7 Proposal to define new Unihan Database property: kIICore2020 [Lunde, L2/18-279]

[157-A17] Action Item for Ken Lunde: Revise L2/18-279 based on feedback received in the meeting and submit to IRG.

B.12.1 Working Draft Proposed Update Unicode® Standard Annex #38

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.11.2.1.1 General feedback [L2/18-274]

[157-A18] Action Item for John Jenkins, Michel Suignard: Add additional property values for U+20063 and U+200DB based on feedack from Ken Lunde (August 2, 2018), in L2/18-274, for Unicode 12.0.

[157-A19] Action Item for Mark Davis: Change the hentaigana (U+1B002 to U+1B11E) to have Identifier_Type=Obsolete, based on feedback from David Corbett (August 7, 2018), in L2/18-274, for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A20] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to David Corbett re feedback on hentaigana identifier type.

[157-A21] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Revise the section on choice of simplified versus traditional Chinese in UTS #39 by removing it, for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A22] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Karl Williamson re feedback on UTS #39 (July 21, 2018).

Meeting adjourned for the day at 5:30.

Wednesday, September 19, 2018

(9:30 - 11:00 members meeting)

Meeting opened at 11:10 am.

7 members represented: Adobe, Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Facebook, UCB, Google (proxy).

On phone: Lorna Evans.

B.11.1 Issue 378: Draft UTR #53, Unicode Arabic Mark Rendering

[157-C8] Consensus: Approve Draft UTR #53 for publication as UTR #53.

[157-A23] Action Item for Lorna Evans, Editorial Committee: Prepare UTR #53 for publication.

[157-A24] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Post UTR #53.

[157-A25] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #378.

B.15.4 Ad hoc report W3C i18n initiative

Oral report by Lisa Moore, Steven Loomis.

[157-A26] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Follow up with Markus Scherer, Richard Ishida, and Addison Phillips regarding possible new ICU break iterator support.

B.9 Unicode Locales Project (CLDR) B.9.1 Liaison report [Davis, Edberg]

Oral report by Mark Davis.

B.7 UC Berkeley Department of Linguistics - Script Encoding Initiative B.7.1 Liaison report [Anderson, L2/18-299]

Oral report by Deborah Anderson.

B.8.1 ICU Liaison report [Umaoka, Scherer]

Oral report by Markus Scherer.

B.10 Unicode Localization Interoperability (ULI) B.10.1 Liaison report [Loomis]

Oral report by Steven Loomis.

B.16.1 ICANN Meeting in Barcelona

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.11.3.1.1 General feedback [L2/18-274]

[157-A27] Action Item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Check wording in UAX #34 based on July 29, 2018 feedback from David Corbett. See document L2/18-274.

[157-A28] Action Item for Mark Davis: Create proposal for restructuring the information in tables in section 2.4 of UAX #31.

Lunch break and ad hoc meetings, 12:20 - 13:45

Members meeting continuation 13:45 - 14:00.

E.1.1 ESC Recommendations for 2018Q3 UTC [ESC, L2/18-307]

[157-C9] Consensus: Approve 36 new ZWJ sequences as RGI in emoji 12.0, as documented in L2/18-306.

[157-A29] Action Item for Mark Davis, Peter Edberg: Add 36 new ZWJ sequences documented in L2/18-306 to Emoji 12.0 data files.

[157-A30] Action Item for Mark Davis, Peter Edberg: Update UTS #51 as necessary for 36 new RGI ZWJ sequences documented in L2/18-306.

On Phone: Judy Safran-Aasen

[157-C10] Consensus: Change the representation of 55 RGI ZWJ sequences for people holding hands in Emoji 12.0 to the sequences listed in Appendix A of document L2/18-307.

[157-A31] Action Item for Mark Davis: Add 55 new ZWJ sequences for people holding hands to Emoji 12.0 data files.

[157-A32] Action Item for Mark Davis, Peter Edberg: Update UTS #51 as necessary for 55 new RGI ZWJ sequences for people holding hands.

[157-C11] Consensus: Add three additional provisional candidates for Emoji 13.0, PICKUP TRUCK, HEADSTONE, and BELL PEPPER.

[157-A33] Action Item for Mark Davis, Peter Edberg: Add three provisional candidates to the list for Emoji 13.0. See consensus 157-C11.

[157-A34] Action Item for Jeremy Burge, Emoji Subcommittee: Reconsider whether to add POTTED PLANT as an additional provisional candidate for Emoji 13.0.

[157-A35] Action Item for Jeremy Burge: Collect information on annotations and ordering for the three new provisional candidates. See consensus 157-C11.

[157-A36] Action Item for Jeremy Burge: Collect information on annotations and ordering for new ZWJ sequences.

C.7 Proposal to encode ADLAM NASALIZATION MARK for ADLaM script [Barry, et al, L2/18-282] C.7.1 General feedback [L2/18-274]

On phone Andrew Glass.

[157-C12] Consensus: Accept U+1E94B ADLAM NASALIZATION MARK with properties as given in L2/18-282R for encoding in a future version of the standard.

[157-A37] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to feedback from Eduardo Marín Silva regarding L2/18-282.

[157-A38] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Add U+1E94B ADLAM NASALIZATION MARK to the pipeline.

[157-A39] Action Item for Deborah Anderson: Add U+1E94B ADLAM NASALIZATION MARK to document requesting future additions.

[157-C13] Consensus: Because of the urgency of need for the Adlam Nasalization Mark by the user community, target U+1E94B ADLAM NASALIZATION MARK for Unicode 12.0.

B.11.3.1.1 General feedback [L2/18-274]

[157-A40] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Let David Corbett know that UTC will not be updating UAX #31 for Coptic Epact numbers in Unicode 12.0, but will plan for a more extensive revision later.

[157-A41] Action Item for Mark Davis: Investigate Not_XID listing in IdentifierType.txt for consistency, for Unicode 12.0. See the August 4, 2018 error report from Manish Goregaokar in L2/18-274.

[157-A42] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Manish Goregaokar re August 4, 2018 feedback.

[157-C14] Consensus: Change the Grapheme_Cluster_Break property of U+1B35 BALINESE VOWEL SIGN TEDUNG from Spacing_Mark to Extend, for Unicode 12.0.

[157-A43] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update GraphemeBreakProperty.txt for Unicode 12.0. See consensus 157-C14.

[157-A44] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to David Corbett's feedback of August 11 and 12, 2018 re Grapheme_Cluster_Break property of U+1B35 and UAX #31. Also Jul 22, 2018 on U+166D.

[157-C15] Consensus: Change the regular expression under A2 in UAX #31 to add a $L at the end as per /$L $M* $V $M₁* ZWNJ $L/ .

[157-A45] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Update the regex under A2 in UAX #31 for Unicode 12.0, as per consensus 157-C15.

[157-C16] Consensus: Change the general category of U+166D CANADIAN SYLLABICS CHI SIGN fron "Po" to "So" and make it Terminal_Punctuation=No.

[157-A46] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update UnicodeData.txt to change general category of U+166D CANADIAN SYLLABICS CHI SIGN fron "Po" to "So" for Unicode 12.0.

[157-A47] Action Item for Mark Davis: Remove U+166D CANADIAN SYLLABICS CHI SIGN from Terminal_Punctuation in PropList.txt in Unicode 12.0.

[157-A48] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Adjust the collation of U+166D CANADIAN SYLLABICS CHI SIGN so it is in the range of symbols rather than punctuation in DUCET for Unicode 12.0.

[157-A49] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to David Corbett's feedback on July 25 re Arabic confusables.

[157-A50] Action Item for Rick McGowan, Ben Yang: Discuss information on U+05C7 HEBREW POINT QAMATS QATAN, based on David Corbett's feedback comment of August 8, 2018 in L2/18-274 and provide a suggested resolution.

[157-A51] Action Item for Mark Davis: Review David Corbett's feedback on Inconsistent Identifier_Type values for excluded scripts from August 8, 2018 in L2/18-274.

[157-A52] Action Item for Deborah Anderson, Script Ad Hoc: Review David Corbett's feedback on Chakma maayyaa of August 8, 2018; and Indic Siyaq numbers of August 9, 2018 in L2/18-274.

[157-A53] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Inform David Corbett of disposition for feedback items of August 8 and 9, 2018.

[157-A54] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Stephen Davis' feedback of August 22, 2018 in L2/18-274.

[157-A55] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Henrique Peron's feedback of August 18, 2018 in L2/18-274 to say that Lithuanian is already supported.

[157-A56] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to feedback from François of August 27, 2018.

[157-A57] Action Item for Rick McGowan, Lisa Moore: Respond to Charlotte Buff's document L2/18-301.

Thursday, September 20, 2018

Meeting opened at 9:40.

6 members represented: Adobe, Apple, IBM, UCB, Google (proxy), Facebook.

D.2 Additional information on L2/18-084 TAKRI VOWEL SIGN VOCALIC R [Srinidhi, Sridatta, L2/18-247R]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

D.3 Syloti Nagri feedback [Srinidhi, L2/18-259]

[157-A58] Action Item for Deborah Anderson: Contact Lorna Evans and request that she investigate Syloti Nagri issues in document L2/18-259.

D.5 Further remarks on the encoding model of Vedic gomukha characters [Sharma, L2/18-287]

[157-A59] Action Item for Deborah Anderson: Ask Srinidhi and Sridatta for a formal proposal on Vedic gomukha characters. See document L2/18-287.

Short break.

C.5.1 A Glyph Error of 'Phags-pa Alternate YA(U+A86D) [Lo Dyih-Yuaan, L2/18-278]

[157-A60] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Create a glyph erratum notice for U+A86D PHAGS-PA LETTER ALTERNATE YA based on document L2/18-280 Table 5.

[157-A61] Action Item for Rick McGowan, Michel Suignard: Correct the glyph in code charts for U+A86D PHAGS-PA LETTER ALTERNATE YA based on document L2/18-280 Table 5, for Unicode 12.0.

C.4 Preliminary proposal to encode Book Pahlavi in Unicode [Pandey, L2/18-276]

The UTC is pleased to see the progress that has been made on Book Pahlavi.

E.2 Proposal to add characters from legacy computers and teletext to the UCS [Ewell, et al, L2/18-275R]

Discussion.

Short break.

Google now represented in person.

[157-A62] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Schedule a phone meeting with authors of L2/18-275R.

E.3 Revised EXTERNAL LINK Proposal [Bayer, L2/18-303]

[157-A63] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Respond to author of L2/18-303.

Lunch break and Mongolian ad hoc, 11:45 - 13:55.

B.15.1 Mongolian ad hoc report

Oral report by Liang Hai.

[157-A64] Action Item for Liang Hai, Roozbeh Pournader: Prepare a proposal for property changes to NNBSP for Unicode 12.0.

[157-A65] Action Item for Deborah Anderson: Contact the Mongolian standards body regarding letters of invitation to the April 2019 Mongolian Working Group meeting, and posting to the e-mail list.

B.12.2 Working Draft of Proposed Update UTS #51, Unicode Emoji [Davis, Edberg, L2/18-308]

[157-A66] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Move the last three review notes under section 2.3a.2 (Multiperson Skintones) to a separate PRI document for posting.

B.11.3.1.1 General feedback [L2/18-274]

Oral report from Ben Yang regarding Qamats Qatan.

[157-C17] Consensus: Change the Identifier_Type of U+05C7 HEBREW POINT QAMATS QATAN from "Obsolete" to "Uncommon_Use Technical" for Unicode version 12.0.

[157-A67] Action Item for Mark Davis: Change the Identifier_Type of U+05C7 HEBREW POINT QAMATS QATAN from "Obsolete" to "Uncommon_Use Technical" in IdentifierType.txt, for Unicode version 12.0.

B.13.4 Authorize V12.0 beta

[157-C18] Consensus: Authorize the Unicode 12.0 beta.

[157-A68] Action Item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Release the Unicode 12.0 beta.

E.2 Proposal to add characters from legacy computers and teletext to the UCS [Ewell, et al, L2/18-275R]

On phone: Doug Ewell.

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.1.3.2 Additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2017 (6th ed.) CD, Revised [Suignard, L2/18-302]

Oral report by Michel Suignard.

B.1.6 Review of document requesting new additions [Anderson, L2/18-309]

Oral report by Deborah Anderson.

UTC thanks the host, Apple.

Meeting adjourned at 4:00 pm.

L2 continued.

UTC Attendance

Members Represented

Members not in regular attendance: Bangladesh, Huawei, Tamil Nadu, Oracle, SAP, Shopify, Sultanate of Oman

Total full members in regular attendance: 7

Total institutional members in regular attendance: 1

Total supporting members in regular attendance: 1

Quorum: 4.5