Am 2000-03-10 um 12:36 h PST hat Tex Texin geschrieben: > I am looking into conventions for Swiss collation. > I was pointed at DIN 5007. I have tried to find a Swiss national standard on sorting, in , the Schweizerische Normen-Vereinigung's WWW site. Their database referred me to German standards (though more expensive than in Germany, cf, below): DIN 5007, Ausgabe:1991-04 Ordnen von Schriftzeichenfolgen (ABC-Regeln) DIN 5007-2, Ausgabe:1996-05 Ordnen von Schriftzeichenfolgen - Teil 2: Ansetzungsregeln für die alphabetische Ordnung von Namen DIN 31638, Ausgabe:1994-08 Bibliographische Ordnungsregeln and to international standards: (Vornormentwurf) prENV 13710, Ausgabe:1999-09 European ordering rules - Ordering of characters from the Latin, Greek and Cyrillic scripts ISO 7154, Ausgabe:1983-11 Dokumentation; bibliographische Ordnungsgrundsätze ISO/TR 8393, Ausgabe:1985-08 Dokumentation; ISO bibliographische Ordnungsregeln (internationale bibliographische Norm-Ordnungsregeln): Erläuterung von bibliographischen Ordnungsgrundsätzen anhand von Modellregelsätzen These titles roughly mean: DIN 5007, Rules for alphabetical arrangement (ABC rules) DIN 5007-2, ... Part 2: Assessment rules for the alphabetic arrangement of proper names [I don't know the correct technical term; these rules are about forming the sort key from a proper name, such as putting the family name in front, or treating "Mc" as "Mac"] DIN 31638 Bibliographic ordering rules ISO 7154 Documentation; Principles of bibliographic ordering ISO/TR 8393 Documentation; ISO bibliographic ordering rules (international bibliographic standard ordering rules): exemplification ... > Is this on the web anywhere? I don't think so. German national standards are copyright protected. They are sold by Beuth Verlag , for considerable amounts. E. g. DIN 5007, Part 1, a 7-pages pamphlet (A4 paper) sells for 58,50 DM. You can order DIN standards from . > Are there old and new Swiss collations, The old DIN 5007 of 1962-11 was only about ordering of proper names. Excerpt, my translation: : These rules apply, as before [i. e. as of 1948-12], only to the : alphabetical arrangement of proper names. A section on the alpha- : betical arrangement of general terms will be added later. The main part of that standard was on the assessment rules (now in DIN 5007-2). Its alphabetic ordering rules boil down to: - German Umlaute "ä", "ö", "ü" are treated as "ae", "oe", "ue", respectively. - German sharp S, "ß", is treated as "ss". - All other diacritic marks, such as accents, tremata, and cedillas, are entirely disregarded, e. g. "ç" = "c". - Only characters of the Latin alphabet (as used for German) are con- sidered (e. g., Thorn, "þ", is not even mentioned); a footnote refers to DIN 1460 "Transliteration of slawic/cyrillic characters"; - Case is entirely disregarded. - Words are treated as entities; i. e., white-space is effectively regarded as a single low-value character. Option: - In filing cabinets (and probably also in card-indices), initial "Sch" and "St" could be assigned separate compartments, resulting, e. g. in the sequence ..."Rzypinsky", "Sabel"... "Szymansky", "Schaaf"... "Schymura", "Staal"... "Styri", "Taal"... NB: this option is *only* for initial characters, not for embedded ones. In contrast, the current DIN 5007, - is about ordering arbitrary character strings; it has kept the "ä" = "ae" rule for lists of proper names only and has a new "ä" = "a" rule for general application (the former may well be be dropped in a later edition of DIN 5007); - has dropped the "Sch", and "St", option (without even mentioning it); - defines a three-level sort, as discussed many times in the Unicode list (1st level: base characters; 2nd level: diacritical marks and character variants; 3rd: level: cases); - defines rules (or at least principles) for the ordering of characters not belonging to the Latin alphabet; - defines a peculiar rule for the ordering of numbers (based on their respective values rather than on their representation), which does not really fit in a framework for ordering of character strings. > and are the collation conventions different depending on the language > and/or dialect being used, since the Swiss use multiple languages. Probably. DIN 5007 is designed for the German language. However, I do not know of a standard for ordering French, Italian, or Raeto-Romance terms. I am not an expert in this field, though; I simply could not find any, in the SNV database, as mentioned above. Best wishes, Otto Stolz