RE: Major Defect in Combining Classes of Tibetan Vowels (Hebrew)

From: Jony Rosenne (rosennej@qsm.co.il)
Date: Thu Jun 26 2003 - 18:14:58 EDT

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    That may be what you see. Myself, every time I look at it, I see an orphaned
    Hiriq without a consonant. It is normally placed in between the Lamed and
    the Mem, to make certain the point isn't missed (a pun).

    Jony

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: unicode-bounce@unicode.org
    > [mailto:unicode-bounce@unicode.org] On Behalf Of
    > Peter_Constable@sil.org
    > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:09 PM
    > To: unicode@unicode.org
    > Subject: RE: Major Defect in Combining Classes of Tibetan
    > Vowels (Hebrew)
    >
    >
    > Jony Rosenne wrote on 06/26/2003 06:26:02 AM:
    >
    > > It may look, silly, but it is correct. What you see are letters
    > according to
    > > the writing tradition, which does not include a Yod, and vowels
    > according to
    > > the reading tradition which does.
    >
    > I understand that. My point was, you were talking about
    > phonology, but in
    > terms of the text, it was not correct: there *are* multiple
    > vowels on a
    > single consonant.
    >
    >
    > > There are in the Bible other, more extreme
    > > cases.
    >
    > I'd be interested on whatever info you can provide in that regard.
    >
    >
    >
    > > I don't think we need any new characters, ZERO WIDTH SPACE would do
    > > and
    > it
    > > requires no new semantics.
    >
    > No, that's a terrible solution: a space creates unwanted word
    > boundaries.
    >
    >
    > > Moreover, everybody who knows his Hebrew Bible
    > > knows the Yod is there although it isn't written.
    >
    > But the point is, how to people encode the text? The yod is
    > not there in
    > the text. How does a publisher encode text in the typesetting
    > process? How
    > do researchsers encode the text they want to analyze? Saying,
    > "everybody
    > knows there's a yod there" doesn't provide a solution,
    > particular given
    > that the researchers know in point of fact that the consonantal text
    > explicitly does not include a yod.
    >
    >
    >
    > > The Meteg is a completely different issue. There is a small
    > number of
    > places
    > > were the Meteg is placed differently. Since it does not behave the
    > > same
    > as
    > > the regular Meteg, and is thus visually distinguishable, it
    > should be
    > > possible to add a character, as long as it is clearly named.
    >
    > That is a potential solution, thought it would have to be
    > *two* additional
    > metegs.
    >
    >
    >
    > - Peter
    >
    >
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