Re: Yerushala(y)im - or Biblical Hebrew: meteg

From: Joan_Wardell@sil.org
Date: Tue Jul 29 2003 - 15:48:39 EDT

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    Meteg to the right does not actually need an extra character, because if
    CGJ is used to override canonical equivalence and reordering of vowel
    sequences, the mechanism is already in place to use it in exactly the
    same way for sequences of vowels and meteg.

                                                                                                                            
                          Peter Kirk
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    On 28/07/2003 15:32, Kenneth Whistler wrote:

    >Joan Wardell responded to:
    >
    >
    >>That's what I'm saying. And I have no particular problem with the CGJ
    >>suggestion, but
    >>it doesn't go far enough. I don't think we can use it to fix meteg, a
    mark
    >>which occurs in
    >>three different positions around a low vowel, yet is canonically ordered
    >>before the shin/sin
    >>dots! Will we put one CGJ on the right to indicate a right meteg and one
    on
    >>the left to indicate
    >>a left meteg?
    >>
    >>
    >
    >No. I have no objection to encoding one more meteg character,
    >as has been proposed, if it is reliably distinguished from
    >the existing meteg. John Hudson has already argued that
    >that is enough to enable dealing with the rest of the
    >rendering distinctions contextually.
    >
    >
    I understood that there were serious problems with John Hudson's
    proposal because ZWNJ as a non-combining character is not suitable for
    inhibiting ligation of a pair of combining characters. If this is true,
    we have the choice of using some combining character e.g. CGJ either to
    inhibit or to indicate ligation, or of defining three new characters for
    the three combinations of meteg in the middle of a hataf vowel.

    Meteg to the right does not actually need an extra character, because if
    CGJ is used to override canonical equivalence and reordering of vowel
    sequences, the mechanism is already in place to use it in exactly the
    same way for sequences of vowels and meteg.

    Peter, I don't think CGJ alone will work, since Meteg in the canonical
    order must always come after the vowel.
    If the currently defined meteg is the one on the left of all vowels except
    hatafs,and central to hatafs, then vowel-CGJ-hataf could be left of the
    hatafs, leaving us with a need for a right meteg to be defined.

    Or am I misunderstanding?

    Joan

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