From: Alexander Savenkov (savenkov@xmlhack.ru)
Date: Thu Jul 15 2004 - 07:21:19 CDT
2004-07-14T19:20:35+03:00 Peter Kirk <peterkirk@qaya.org> wrote:
>>>For in Russian these dots are considered highly optional, and
>>>e with dots (pronounced o or yo - a spelling rule prescribes this
>>>instead of o after certain letters when stressed) is not a separate
>>>letter of the alphabet (contrast i kratkoe, Cyrillic i with breve, which
>>>is a fully separate letter from i).
>>>
>>
>>That’s wrong, Peter. The letter «¸» is a separate letter. Please don’t
>>spread your wrong assumptions in the list.
>>
> I meant this in the sense that the two letters are interfiled in
> dictionaries, e.g.
> åëåéíûé
> ¸ëêà
> åëîâûé
> ¸ëî÷íûé
> åëü
> At least this is the ordering in my Collins Russian dictionary, and I
> understand it to be the standard Russian ordering. Am I wrong here?
Not at all, though different dictionaries use different approaches.
The practice of filing «å*» and «¸*» entries under one section is quite
common, it however doesn’t imply that one of these letters is not
a separate letter. There are two reasons for this kind of ordering:
1. The words with the letter «¸» are almost always written with «å»
so readers will tend to mix them.
2. The aren’t many words with initial «¸», so it's safe to file all
the «¸*» entries along with «å*».
> By contrast, è and é are not interfiled.
I can’t see why you put these as an example. They are completely
different letters (vowel and consonant), notwithstanding their similar
look. One of my dictionaries have a section called «Ú-Ü» which
obviously means that the entries cover the letters «ú», «û», and «ü».
Unlike «Å, ¨» section the entries are sorted alphabetically. Just like
«å» and «¸» all of these letters are meant to be separate.
Alexander
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