Re: Draft 3 of the proposal to encode an EXTERNAL LINK SIGN in the BMP

From: Don Osborn (
Date: Wed Aug 09 2006 - 07:33:02 CDT

  • Next message: Philippe Verdy: "Re: Draft 3 of the proposal to encode an EXTERNAL LINK SIGN in the BMP"

    Hmmm - something like "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."
    ? (Sorry, couldn't resist ...)

    What about a "planes of existence" approach? Are there categories of
    written/printed entities that could be more or less happily assigned to the
    supplementary ideographic plane SIP (if I understand its purpose correctly)
    rather than the BMP?

    ----- Original Message -----
    On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Andrew West wrote:
    >> I guess that most people know that I have always been a strong
    >> advocate of only encoding characters for which there is tangible
    >> evidence for their existence and need to be encoded.
    > The key question here is what existence means: does it mean existence as a
    > widely recognized symbol with some established shape, or does it _also_
    > require existing usage in texts? (For some definition of "text", of
    > course. But surely symbols that are _only_ used as standalone graphic
    > symbols lack use in texts.)

    ----- Original Message -----
    On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Philippe Verdy wrote:
    > From: "Michael Everson" <>
    >> So which is it? The noble heart-shaped exclamation point that no one no
    >> one no one uses? Or the accursed do-not-litter man, ubiquitous but
    >> shunned by the UTC?
    > This time, I admit that I strongly support this point of view. There are
    > tons of symbols seen everyday on lots of products that would merit
    > encoding, notably those marking the compliance with a industry or national
    > standard.
    > So where are the symbols for:
    > * Do not dispose in dustbin
    > * DC plug/jack polarity
    > * USB plug
    > * indicator symbols for WiFi or BlueTooth activation (button or LED)
    > * Do not clean with chlore, dry cleaning
    > * Temperature for pressing clothes
    > * Do not drink, do not eat
    > * Various danger warning signs (electric shock, corrosive, hot
    > temperature, laser beam, high power wave emission, abrasive, explosive,
    > easily inflammable, can cut fingers or feet, toxic gas...)
    > * Do not expose to direct sun light, water/moisture, dust
    > * Do not open, content sealed
    > * Keep frozen/cool/warm (a thermomether, beside which we would write
    > separately the extremum temperatures)
    > * Battery meters (fully charged, high, half charge, low, nearly empty, as
    > found on most mobile phone displays)
    > * Triangular sound volume gauge symbols (also used as antenna reception
    > level)
    > * Antenna symbol
    > * All those standard symbols that you find below any notebook or on its
    > electric adaptor, and on many electrical devices, including in their
    > documentation (I don't mean here the logos of standard organisations,
    > which may be severely restricted or copyrighted, and requiring a specific
    > agreement or that could be simply forbidden for reproduction, but possibly
    > FCC or CE conformance symbols which are open for use without prior
    > agreement provided that its use is honnest as this is a contract signature
    > from the manufacturer certifying that conformance has been tested and is
    > waranteed to consumers and legit to import, sell or use in the intended
    > market)
    > ...

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