Re: Uppercase ß is coming? (U+1E9E)

From: Asmus Freytag (
Date: Thu May 17 2007 - 21:26:16 CDT

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    On 5/17/2007 6:33 PM, John Hudson wrote:
    > Frank Ellermann wrote:
    >> Werner LEMBERG wrote:
    >>> Attached an image which shows that this is possible (at least with
    >>> a sans serif script), and which IMHO is aesthetically pleasing.
    >> Nice, and IMO clearly better than gamma-shaped proposals for SZlig.
    > This sort of SS ligation is quote easy to do in most sans serif
    > designs, but considerably more difficult to make convincing in a serif
    > book face. Whatever the model form for the uppercase eszett becomes,
    > it needs to be something that is as easily adaptable to different
    > styles of typeface design as any other uppercase letter.

    I don't know that I'd buy that as bluntly as you stated that. There are
    some significant differences in the basic design of some letters between
    serif and sans-serif, not to mention script or decorative styles.

    Also, what do you mean by "model form"? If you allude to the
    representative glyph in the Unicode charts, the only requirement that
    such a glyph _must_ satisfy is that it be the most plain vanilla design
    possible for a Times-like font. "Plain vanilla" being loosely defined as
    eschewing any particular design quirks that would make the individual
    font recognizable or the character stand out.

    Only when such a form cannot serve to *identify* the character, should a
    departure be considered. For example, for scripts with positional
    shapes, if two characters have the identical form in isolated position,
    the standard my show a medial form, to allow the characters to be
    visually distinguished.

    Despite the high level of (continued) interest in this character and its
    glyph design, such is not the case here, and plain vanilla (times-like)
    is what the representative glyph should strive for. Interesting designs
    for sans-serif fonts are a fascinating topic in and of themselves, but
    not part of the discussion to settle the design of a representative glyph.


    PS: btw. I agree that almost anything looks better than gamma-shaped
    proposals, but as I wrote before, what's considered acceptable will be
    influenced over time by what's deployed.

    > John Hudson

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