Re: Question about the directionality of "Old Hungarian" (document N3531)

From: André Szabolcs Szelp (a.sz.szelp@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Nov 07 2008 - 02:40:51 CST

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    This ought to be fixed then ....

    2008/11/4 Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>:
    > On 11/4/2008 1:14 AM, Michael Everson wrote:
    >
    > On 4 Nov 2008, at 08:09, Kent Karlsson wrote:
    >
    > I know. That is why there is a loophole, but only a loophole,
    > in the bidi algorithm. It covers (badly) Old Italic, which is
    > encoded as LTR, when overriden as RTL to (sometimes, only
    > sometimes, using some as yet unheard of higher-level-protocol
    > mechanism; I can imagine them, just haven't seen any) produce
    > mirrored glyphs for the Old Italic letters.
    >
    > "The font" is supposed to do that. We've always been told this.
    >
    > But if the bidi algorithm says not to mirror, the font [handling
    > system] should not start to mirror. The mirroring is governed by the
    > bidi algorithm. If the font mirrors glyphs anyway, it's simply a
    > flawed font.
    >
    > You say this with a lot of conviction. I don't think you're right though.
    >
    > Just read the standard, in this case UAX#9.
    >
    > The Bidirectional Conformance section says, removing language not needed for
    > this discussion:
    >
    > UAX9-C1. In the absence of a permissible higher-level protocol, a process
    > that renders text shall display all visible representations of characters
    > (excluding format characters) in the order described by Section 3, Basic
    > Display Algorithm, of this annex. In particular, this includes ....L4
    >
    > UAX-C2. The only permissible higher-level protocols are those listed in
    > Section 4.3, Higher-Level Protocols. They are ... and HL6
    >
    > and L4 is the step that defines mirroring.
    >
    > L4. A character is depicted by a mirrored glyph if and only if (a) the
    > resolved directionality of that character is R, and (b) the Bidi_Mirrored
    > property value of that character is true..
    >
    > This rule can be overridden in certain cases; see HL6.
    >
    > and, finally, HL6 says:
    >
    > HL6.Additional mirroring.
    >
    > Characters with a resolved directionality of R that do not have the
    > Bidi_Mirrored property can also be depicted by a mirrored glyph in
    > specialized contexts. Such contexts include, but are not limited to,
    > historic scripts and associated punctuation, private-use characters, and
    > characters in mathematical expressions. (See Section 6, Mirroring.)
    >
    > As you can see, the case where an RTL script is overridden to L is *not*
    > covered by this language. Conformant process MUST NOT mirror characters in
    > this case. What the UAX should have been saying is:
    >
    > "Characters with a resolved directionality of R, or characters defined in
    > the standard with bidirectional class of R and resolved directionality of L,
    > can also...."
    >
    > But, unless it's fixed, that UAX is *not* saying that and Kent's correct.
    >
    > A./
    >
    >
    >
    >



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