Re: Obsolete characters

From: Mark Davis (mark@macchiato.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 2009 - 13:25:59 CST

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    What I've actually had in the mockup picker is "- Uncommon or Variants - ",

    see http://macchiato.com/picker/MyApplication.html

    Mark

    On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:40, Phillips, Addison <addison@amazon.com> wrote:

    > "arcane"
    >
    > "unusual"
    >
    > "rare"
    >
    > "uncommon"
    >
    > "limited usage"
    >
    > "specialized"
    >
    > "archaic"
    >
    > "not customary"
    >
    >
    >
    > One of the problems is that your collection(s) are sometimes in "modern"
    > usage in one context or another… just not common usage in its given script
    > for most language(s) written in that script. All of the terms you're
    > considering seem to have an implied pejorative even if none is actually
    > intended.
    >
    >
    >
    > Addison Phillips
    >
    > Globalization Architect -- Lab126
    >
    >
    >
    > Internationalization is not a feature.
    >
    > It is an architecture.
    >
    >
    >
    > *From:* unicode-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bounce@unicode.org] *On
    > Behalf Of *Mark Davis
    > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:27 AM
    > *To:* Asmus Freytag
    > *Cc:* Aiet Kolkhi; Matitiahu Allouche; Unicode; UTC;
    > unicore-bounce@unicode.org
    > *Subject:* Re: Obsolete characters
    >
    >
    >
    > I tried 'obsolete', but that doesn't work either. What we need is a pithy
    > term or phrase for "not in customary modern use", so if you can think of
    > one.... "Nonmodern"? (ugg)
    >
    > Mark
    >
    > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 15:50, Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > On 1/19/2009 3:59 PM, Mark Davis wrote:
    >
    > "no longer customarily used in modern texts" is pretty much what archaic
    > means. These are listed as Archaic in the Unicode book - if they are not, we
    > should correct that (although it is unclear from your message).
    >
    > Mark,
    >
    > look at a typical dictionary definition of "archaic":
    >
    > 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a much earlier, often more
    > primitive period, especially one that develops into a classical stage of
    > civilization: <I>an archaic bronze statuette; Archaic Greece.</I>
    > 2. No longer current or applicable; antiquated: <I>archaic laws.</I>
    > 3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of words and language that were once
    > in regular use but are now relatively rare and suggestive of an earlier
    > style or period.
    >
    > Spellings can change rather suddenly, therefore, something might no longer
    > be in common use, but still lack the sense of "long ago" that seems tied
    > up with the term "archaic". As you can see from several of the definitions,
    > there's also a decided element of value judgment connoted with the use of
    > the term. I believe in the context of Unicode, it it would be better if the
    > term "archaic" was reserved for contexts where characters or scripts fell
    > out of use centuries ago.
    >
    > A./
    >
    >
    >



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