ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 N 3241
DATE: 1999-02-05
  
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 
Coded Character Sets 
Secretariat: Japan (JISC)
 
 
DOC TYPE:   Summary of Voting/Table of Replies 
 
TITLE:  
 		 Summary of Voting on SC 2 N 3186, Combined PDAM registration and consideration ballot on WD for 10646-1/Amd. 28, Information technology - Universal Multiple-Octet Coded Character Set (UCS) - Part 1: Architecture and Basic Multilingual Plane -- AMENDMENT 28: Ideographic description characters
SOURCE:  
 		 Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2
PROJECT:  
 		 JTC 1.02.18.01.28
STATUS:  
 		 1) PDAM Registration: Approved. 2) PDAM Consideration: This document is forwarded to WG 2 for consideration. WG 2 is requested to prepare a disposition of comments report, revised text and a recommendation to the SC 2 Secretariat for further processing.
ACTION ID:   ACT
DUE DATE:    
DISTRIBUTION:   P, O and L Members of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 
WG Conveners, Secretariats 
ISO/IEC JTC 1 Secretariat 
ISO/IEC ITTF 
 
NO. OF PAGES: 5 
ACCESS LEVEL:  Defined
WEB ISSUE #:   042
Secretariat ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 - Toshiko KIMURA
IPSJ/ITSCJ (Information Processing Society of Japan/Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan)*
Room 308-3, Kikai-Shinko-Kaikan Bldg., 3-5-8, Shiba-Koen, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105 JAPAN
Tel: +81 3 3431 2808; Fax: +81 3 3431 6493; E-mail: kimura@itscj.ipsj.or.jp; http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2
*A Standard Organization accredited by JISC
Summary of Voting on SC 2 N 3186
  PDAM Registration  PDAM Consideration  
P-member Approve Approve with Comments Disapprove Abstain Approve Approve with Comments Disapprove Abstain Comment
Armenia*                  
Australia      
X
      
X
  
Austria                  
Belgium                  
Brazil                  
Canada    
X
      
X
   Att 1
China
X
      
X
        
Denmark
X
      
X
        
Egypt
X
      
X
        
Ethiopia                  
Finland
X
      
X
        
France                  
Germany
X
      
X
        
Greece
X
      
X
        
Iceland                   
India                  
Iran, Islamic Republic of                  
Ireland
X
          
X
   Att.2
Israel
 X
      
 X
        
Italy                  
Japan
X
      
X
        
Korea Rep. Of                  
Morocco                  
Netherlands
X
      
X
        
Norway
X
      
X
        
Poland
X
      
X
        
Romania                  
Singapore 
X
      
X
        
Slovenia                   
Sweden  
X
    
X
       Att.3
Thailand                  
Tunisia                  
Turkey                   
UK
X
        
X
     Att.4
USA
X
        
X
     Att.5
Viet Nam                   
Yugoslavia                  
 
15
1
1
1
13
2
2
1
  
Total
16
1
1
15
2
1
  
O-Member      
Portugue
X
      
X
        
Russian Federation
X
      
X
        
 

Attachment 1 - Canada
CANADA disapproves the Registration and WD in its current form. Our reasons are given below:

SIGNIFICANT:

1. This set of descriptors may lead to indeterminate results. To illustrate this point, the overlaying of "radical two" and "radical line",
2FFB U+4E28 U+4E8C,
can be U+5E72, U+5DE5 or U+571F.
They have *different* *abstract forms*.  This indeterminacy should be eliminated through either rules or introduction of more descriptors.

2. It is not clear if these characters (and construction rules) were taken from relevant national standards, de facto industry standard, or scholarly literature. The source of these characters should be identified, or their novelty noted. An information annex should be considered along with these characters if the construction rules and descriptors are based on (sound but untested) theories.

The Canadian vote will be APPROVE if the above two concerns are addressed satisfactorily.

Editorial:

In addition, nesting of IDS is allowed (and indeed necessary for this descriptor set to be complete). This property is only implicitly acknowledged through a point item (last item in first paragraph of D.3.1). It is desirable that an example of nested IDSs is given explicitly. 


Attachment 2 - Ireland
See 02n32411.pdf

Attachment 3 - Sweden
The Vote is on condition of approval from the countries concerned.

Attachment 4 - UK

UK COMMENTS ACCOMPANYING VOTE OF APPROVAL ON ISO/IEC 10646-1-PDAM 28: Ideographic Description Characters (SC2 N 3186)

Editorial comments:

Page 3. In the character names, replace the sequence IDEOGRAPHIC DESCRIPTION CHARACTER by IDEOGRAPHIC DESCRIPTOR (and make similar adjustments to the names on other pages).

Justification:

a. The term CHARACTER does not add any useful information to the character name.

b. Annex D already includes several characters whose names have a final term such as FILLER, JOINER, or SEPARATOR. The term DESCRIPTOR is quite appropriate in that context.
 

Page 4. The twelve examples given in the text of D3.2 should be removed into a set of three extra columns in Table D.1 (page 6).
Page 5. In the entry for Annex E the hex code position numbers should be inserted in front of the character names, and the names should be alphabetically ordered.


 Attachment 5 - US

U.S. Comments supporting the Approval vote for the Consideration Ballot on SC 2 N 3186, WD 10646-1/Amd. 28

Comments:
Text on page 4, D.3.1 : The reference to "a coded ideographic component" in D.3.1 must be removed since this concept does not exist in ISO 10646.