Re: Request for Registration of i-art and i-und

From: Martin J. Duerst (duerst@w3.org)
Date: Mon Oct 26 1998 - 19:14:02 EST


Hello Marion,

Many thanks for your very valuable information, and offer for help.

> Hi, Martin, As a newly-appointed (August 1998) mamber of the IS0 639
> Registration Authority Advisory Group, and also as Ireland's representative
> in ISO/TC37/S2/WG1 (which has responsibility for new standard ISO 639-1,
> the contents of which are related to those of ISO 639-1), I can give you
> the following update.
>
> On 1998-05-20 Mme Sophie Clivio, D駱artement Normes, Central Secretarial,
> wrote a letter to all National Bodies, informing us that ISO/FDIS 639-2 had
> failed to receive sufficient votes to pass. Since then, its editor John
> Byrum, of the Library of Congress <jbyr@loc.gov>, has, I understand, been
> going around, contacting all of the National Bodies who voted against his
> draft, and amending it to meet their requirements.

I see. This means that it may take still some time for the standard to
be officialy established. Because we need a way to say "not a language"
or "don't know" in hierarchical formats such as HTML and XML, this
means that we have to register them now.

> That's about all I can tell you. To see if anyone else can help you out
> with more information, I am copying this message to H蛆ard Hjulstad
> <hhj@nbs.no> who is the new editor of 639-1, as well as to mailing lists
> TC304@dkuug.dk, unicode@unicode.org and iso10646@listproc.hcf.jhu.edu,
> because I know that many people on those lists also belong to ISO/TC37 and
> ISO/T46 WGs and are concerned to ensure both 639-1 and 639-2 ultimately
> make good standards.
>
> With best wishes,
> Marion Gunn
>
> ps.
> For the benefit of those not on the list ietf-languages@apps.ietf.org, I
> attach a previous message, giving the background to the above discussion.
> mg

I guess you appended the wrong message. The one you appended is on i-default,
which is extremely special. It was tailor-made for the requirements of
the IETF, and it is already registered.

I'm adding my original registration request below. This is for two values
that supposedly are part of the planned ISO 639-2. In particular if these
are not the reasons for the no-votes and delays, it would be very
beneficial to make sure that their definition is the same as for the
corresponding values in ISO 639-2.

Regards, Martin.

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:12:28 +0900
To: ietf-languages@apps.ietf.org
From: "Martin J. Duerst" <duerst@w3.org>
Subject: Request for Registration of i-art and i-und

Based on a suggestion almost exactly a year ago by Harald
Alvestrand, I herewith propose the following two language
registrations:

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LANGUAGE TAG REGISTRATION FORM

Name of requester : Martin J. Duerst
E-mail address of requester: duerst@w3.org
Tag to be registered : i-und

English name of language : Undefined Language

Native name of language (transcribed into ASCII): Undefined Language

Reference to published description of the language (book or article):
                    none

Additional comment: Use only recommended until the equivalent becomes
                    available through the definition of ISO 639-2.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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LANGUAGE TAG REGISTRATION FORM

Name of requester : Martin J. Duerst
E-mail address of requester: duerst@w3.org
Tag to be registered : i-art

English name of language : Artificial Language

Native name of language (transcribed into ASCII): Artificial Language

Reference to published description of the language (book or article):
                    none

Additional comment: Use only recommended until the equivalent becomes
                    available through the definition of ISO 639-2.
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The reason for their registration is that ISO 639-2 is still only
"around the corner", and that for hierarchical formats such as
HTML, XML, or RDF, there needs to be a way to identify that
inside a document in a given natural language, some part is either
not in any natural language (i-art), or its language is undefined
(i-und).

Regards, Martin.



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