Re: thanks is there any way to change already defined character codes?

From: Michael \(michka\) Kaplan (michka@trigeminal.com)
Date: Tue Aug 08 2000 - 09:13:48 EDT


Does the Traditional sort order I mentioned meet the needs of typical usage?
Or are there sorting rules that are missing?

I am slowly learning Georgian and have a localizer who I work with as well,
but I have much to learn and he makes many allowances for my ignorance (so
he may not be as quick to correct me when I am missing something!).

michka

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandro Karumidze" <sandro@osgf.ge>
To: <michka@trigeminal.com>
Cc: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>; <cowan@locke.ccil.org>;
<Marco.Cimarosti@icl.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:10 AM
Subject: thanks is there any way to change already defined character codes?

> thank you for information.
>
> I completely agree with you that codes should not be changes. I just
wanted to
> know more about rules.
>
> best regards,
>
> Sandro Karumidze
>
>
>
>
> "Michael (michka) Kaplan" wrote:
>
> > Sandro,
> >
> > Are you basically wanting the ordering to be different?
> >
> > Unicode does not have any expressed or implied warranty that the
ordering of
> > characters will be anything like what a user would expect (how can it,
when
> > even so many languages that use the same scripts have entirely
different,
> > occasionally conflicting, collation rules?
> >
> > It is up to the software to make the necessary collation rules happen.
> >
> > For example, in Windows 2000 there are two different sorts supported for
> > Georgian: "modern" and "traditional." The difference is that modern has
four
> > letters (He, Hie, We, and Har, both Capital and Small) sort at the end
of
> > the alphabet (which I presume corresponds to the sort that you do not
> > like?), while the traditional sort has:
> >
> > * He appearing between Zen and Tan
> > * Hie appearing between Nar and On
> > * We appearing between Un and Phar
> > * Har appearing between Xan and Jhan
> >
> > I presume the above "exceptions" more closely match the sort you would
> > expect? And if there are more, this would be very valuable information
(as
> > the rules behind all new "sorts" like this are that a valid need to sort
> > text differently was identified.
> >
> > As a rule, Unicode order is not intended to be nor does it explicitly
decide
> > to follow any kind of collation rules for code point order.
> >
> > FWIW, the LCIDs behind these two sorts under Windows 2000 (used in the C
> > CompareString and the VB StrComp) are:
> >
> > Traditional: 1079 (0x0437)
> > Modern: 66615 (0x10437)
> >
> > michka
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandro Karumidze" <sandro@osgf.ge>
> > To: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
> > Cc: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 3:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: is there any way to change already defined character codes?
> >
> > > Dear Chris,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your answer.
> > >
> > > > May I ask what is the reason these people from the government of
Georgia
> > want
> > > > to change the codepoints of some Georgian characters? There is
probably
> > another
> > > > good solution (or solutions) for whatever problem they think would
be
> > solved by
> > > > changing encoding points.
> > >
> > > The issue is that in Unicode there is a sequence of Georgian
caracters
> > different
> > > from what this people think should be.
> > >
> > > In modern Georgian there are 33 widely used characters. However before
> > there were
> > > 38 characters. In beginning of this century 5 characters were dropped,
> > though still
> > > used in old texts and by language specialists.
> > >
> > > In Unicode this 5 characters follow 33. There is a different point of
view
> > that
> > > those 5 should be included among the ohters.
> > >
> > > This is all the issue - there are no specific implementation
difficulties
> > or
> > > problems. The only point is that 5 among the rest 33 is more
"correct".
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Sandro Karumidze
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > - Chris
> > > >
> > > > "Sandro Karumidze" <sandro@osgf.ge> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There are people from the government of Georgia interested in
> > possibility in
> > > > > altering Unicode standard it terms of changing codes for some of
> > Georgian
> > > > > characters.
> > > >
> > > > > Does this type of things happen in Consortium and if yes under
what
> > > > circumstances.
> > > >
> > > > > If not can you specify in which rules is it defined that this
types of
> > > > changes are
> > > > > not allowed..
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance for your support,
> > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > > Sandro Karumidze
> > >
> > >
>
>



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