Re: Possibilities of future expansion (from Perception etc thread

From: Joel Rees (
Date: Sun Feb 25 2001 - 21:04:54 EST


I know this has been hashed over time and time again, and the answer has
been handed down as if by edict time and again, but _your_ attitude as
expressed below is taken by many who are not involved as rather arrogant. To
many people, it seems like the UNICODE has taken in hand to define language
itself. The explanations, no matter how well founded, sound to ordinary
people like slick lawyers trying to cover up something baad with legalize.

This is why I wrote earlier to sugest that the standard should focus on
commonality rather than universality. Rather than trying to hold the
standard for _all_ characters under one organization, hold the standard for
a small, workable subset under the organization, standardize a method for
groups external to the organization to register their own sets and
(necessarily partial) mappings into the common set, and let the people
closest to each language take their own good time about registering.

The smaller approach will meet less resistance, be more flexible, and take
less time.

Joel Rees

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Everson" <>
To: "Unicode List" <>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Possibilities of future expansion (from Perception etc thread

At 10:15 -0800 2001-02-25, Thomas Chan wrote:

>On the other hand, apparently neither CSUR nor you were aware of (or
>chose to ignore) the clashes with the mappings between the PUA and legacy
>CJK encodings and character sets, which [the mappings] have already been
>implemented for 5+ years now on CJK versions of Windows.

So what?

Anyone can use the PUA for anything they want. The code positions are
NOT standardized. If the "characters" those CJK people are using need
to be interchangeable, they need to be properly proposed and put into
Unicode. If they are not, then they are NOT characters.

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