Re: Persian alphabet

From: Michael \(michka\) Kaplan (
Date: Fri Mar 16 2001 - 18:14:00 EST

Actually, the issue here is that you are confusing several issues here.

First of all, "Arabic" keyboards on MS platforms relate to support for the
Arabic language, not Farsi/Persian. The Arabic script is one that contains
MANY languages, including one named Arabic. The confusion this causes is a
pain, and not just for MS products.

If you have a Windows 2000 machine and your user locale is set for Farsi (in
the Word case I think the text must be "tagged" as being Farsi as well, in
the Access case your sort order must be set appropriately), then you should
see Farsi data sort properly.

For prior versions, Farsi is not officially supported in any way, although
NT4 did have some locale information. Even Office 2000 officially states
Farsi as an unsupported locale choice if you are not on Windows 2000, which
kind of says it all.


Michael Kaplan
Trigeminal Software, Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Magda Danish (Unicode)" <>
To: "Unicode List" <>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: FW: Persian alphabet

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vladimir Ivanov []
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:13 PM
> To:
> Subject: Persian alphabet
> Dear colleagues,
> If it is the right address to send questions, may I ask you the
> following:
> Does the standard of UniCode include standards on alphabetical order for
> the letters and other symbols, used in different languages. Our problem
> is in Arabic and Persian alphabetical sorting. We are using Microsoft
> Word, Excel, Access under Windows 2000, which claims to support UniCode.
> If you use Arabic keyboard for input and sort Arabic words everything is
> OK. But if you use Persian keyboard, sorting is done incorrectly:
> a) Persian "Kaf" is put after the last letter in alphabet, though it
> should be put in the same place where Arabic "Kaf" is.
> b) "Vav" is put after "He-havvaz" like it is in Arabic, though it should
> be done vice versa in Persian.
> We are unable to criticize Microsoft until we can refer to a standard.
> Is there such a standard?
> Are there UniCode standards for keyboards?
> Sincerely,
> Prof. Vladimir Ivanov,
> Moscow State University,
> <>

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