[Possibly off-topic] Fonts for experimental usage. (spins off from Re: Romanized Cyrillic bibliographic data--viable fonts?)

From: William Overington (WOverington@ngo.globalnet.co.uk)
Date: Fri Aug 30 2002 - 02:25:11 EDT


Peter Constable wrote as follows.

>On 08/27/2002 12:08:09 AM "James Kass" wrote:
>
>>William Overington has mentioned the Softy editor. Please keep
>>in mind that fonts are copyrighted material, and, mostly users
>>are forbidden to modify them, even for internal use purposes.
>>
>>The best way to get characters added to a font is to ask the
>>font's developer.
>
>I agree completely. Also, it's worth noting that font engineering involves
>rather more than just "adding a few extra characters", especially when
>"smart fonts" are involved. Note, for instance, that some tools may trash
>the hints in a font. The overarching issue, though, as James pointed out,
>is that very often it is simply not legal to make such changes.
>
>
>
>- Peter
>

James raises the important matter of intellectual property rights in fonts
and suggests that the best way to get characters added to a font is to ask
the font's developer.

Peter agrees with James and adds some good computing reasons as to why, even
if permission were available, simply adding a few extra characters without
highly expert skills would not be an effective solution.

The matter which concerns me is as to whether James' suggestion that the
best way to get characters added to a font is to ask the font's developer,
while probably quite true, is nevertheless, in effect, what the theory of
procedural rules would, if that course of action were a formal motion for a
meeting, term a pious motion. What I mean by this is that, for example, if
someone does want a particular character added to a font, how effective, in
practice, is such a request likely to be, qualitatively in terms of whether
such a request would be accepted at all, and quantitatively, in terms of
time scale and financial charge, as to how accessible such an addition would
be to someone making such a request of a font's developer.

Now, let me say at once that James has already shown in his posting that, in
the particular case of the situation in the thread from which this
discussion has spun, that he has reacted proactively in setting about adding
U+FE20 and U+FE21 to his own font, and hopefully the results of that
addition will be available to all at the next release of that font.

Yet is that a response which could be anticipated as typical of font
designers? James produces mainly one huge font which covers many Unicode
characters and is continually adding items to produce a better version for a
later release.

What is the situation with other font developers? Is it perhaps the case
that some font designers, or a team, produce a particular font and then
wrap up the project, so that adding a few extra characters at a later date
would mean a substantial restarting up of the project? I do not know the
answer to this and I wonder if some font designers could perhaps comment
upon the possibilities and the modalities of someone getting a font
developer to add a few characters to an existing font please.

The whole situation has led to me trying to think out the problem of how
someone could get a few extra characters added to a font and, recognizing
the issues and problems that James and Peter mention, I wonder if I may
perhaps put forward a few thoughts on the matter, which might perhaps lead
to a new infrastructural facility for end users of the Unicode system.

Firstly, I mention that I know, at present, very little about font
authorship. I have only used the Softy program and not all of the
facilities in Softy yet. I am aware that there are various sophisticated
font authoring packages available, which are expensive and not widely
accessible by many end users of Unicode.

When using Softy, one method of designing a glyph is to load a template,
which is a .bmp file of a large monochrome image of the desired end result
in a .bmp file, say about 200 pixels by 200 pixels or thereabouts, and then
to use Softy to automatically outline the template so as to produce the
Bézier curves for the glyph. The template file can be produced using a
widely available package such as Microsoft Paint. I have had a lot of
learning fun producing experimental glyphs for a few characters using Paint
in this way, including using the line, ellipse and curve tools of Paint to
produce two tengwar-inspired fantasy characters, namely a double thorn and a
double thorn with tilde, in a manuscript style, by drawing upon a background
grid of a different colour.

I wonder whether it would be possible for some interested people to devise
some basic grids in .bmp format with green and cyan lines upon them so that
the containing boxes for letters x, h, p, a circumflex, A circumflex and so
on were indicated, so that any interested end user could draw a desired
character, using Paint, upon a copy of such a grid using black, then erase
the green and cyan lines. This could have the effect that if, say, twenty
to fifty end users each produced designs for five or more characters, that
the artwork for an easily extendible font could become available. Clearly
such an idea would need someone with the necessary software and skills to
gather the glyphs into a font. I am thinking that if such a font designing
facility had a distinctive name, then anyone producing such .bmp files
could, if he or she so chose, place them upon his or her own website using
that distinctive name as a key word, so that, in time, someone going to a
search engine such as http://www.yahoo.com could search for the word and
perhaps find all of the available glyph designs from web sites all around
the world, together with fonts which included different subsets of the
available glyphs. Producing such glyphs and fonts could become an
intellectual sport, in the same manner as playing chess is an intellectual
sport.

I appreciate that there would naturally be intellectual property rights
issues in relation to such fonts, yet it does occur to me that trying to
produce several such designs, such as a sanserif face, an old style face and
a manuscript style face using tightly drawn rules for how to prepare the
template designs, could be lots of fun and could lead to some useful fonts
which are extensible by end users for various specialised applications.

I realise that there is a lot of skill in producing fonts and I wonder
whether what I am suggesting would be feasible or whether there would be
some factor which would make it unworkable in practice.

I realize that such a discussion of font generation might be off-topic, so
maybe the discussion would need to move to email, yet perhaps for a while a
discussion in this forum might be permitted please?

William Overington

29 August 2002



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