Re: From [b-hebrew] Variant forms of vav with holem

From: Peter Kirk (
Date: Wed Jul 30 2003 - 14:43:08 EDT

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    On 30/07/2003 09:39, Kent Karlsson wrote:

    >Peter Kirk wrote:
    >>The two forms of vav with holam are also distinguished in the alpha
    >>release of "The Unicode Leningrad Codex", available from
    >> The vowel form,
    >>Ted's holam male, is encoded as holam followed by vav, and
    >>the consonant
    >>vav with holam is encoded simply as that. See for example the
    >>distinction in the following copied from Genesis 4:13, where the two
    >>forms are adjacent and clearly distinct in the printed BHS:
    >Note that combining characters alvays apply to the base character
    >*preceeding* it. Your example, divided into combining sequences:
    >05D2 05BC 05B8, 05D3 05B9 05A5, 05D5, 05DC, 0020,
    >05E2 05B2, 05D5 05B9, 05E0 05B4 0596, 05D9
    >gimel dagesh qamats, dalet holam merkha, vav, lamed, space
    >ayin hataf-patah, vav holam, nun hiriq tipeha, yod
    >In that example there is a vav-holam, and before that there is a dalet-holam.
    > /kent k
    Understood. But that is really what we have in the text. In the second
    word we have consonant vav with vowel holam. In the first word we really
    do have consonant dalet with vowel holam, and then a silent vav which
    originated as a placeholder for a long vowel in an otherwise unvowelled
    text. But the holam which really belongs with the dalet has become
    shifted on to the right side of the silent vav as an orthographic
    convention, just as it is shifted on to a following silent alef -
    something which no one here seems to have questioned, or suggested to be
    too complex to implement, although the algorithm is identical.

    Peter Kirk

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