Re: [indic] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)

From: Mark Davis (mark.davis@jtcsv.com)
Date: Sun Aug 17 2003 - 23:35:01 EDT

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    comments below.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <michka@trigeminal.com>
    To: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@jtcsv.com>; <unicode@unicode.org>
    Cc: <bidi@unicode.org>; <indic@unicode.org>
    Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 18:32
    Subject: Re: [indic] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)

    > These collation tables have one and only one of the following two problems:
    >
    > A) If these are intended to be language-specific tailorings then a strong
    > warning about the linguistic inapplicabilty needs to be added, since the
    > data is actually incorrect for the use of most of these scripts.
    >
    > B) If these tables are just intended to be another view of the default
    > table, outlining the data by script, then this information should be more
    > prominently explained.
    >
    > I suspect that the issue is the one outlined in (B) meaning it is just
    > better explaining what the data is meant to be, but I have had many
    > customers claim to me that "Unicode does not understand their
    > language/script" because they assumed that the issue was as outlined in (A).

    B is the case; this is simply a different view of the UCA.

    >
    > Assuming that it is (B), this problem is unfortunately exacerbated by the
    > many times that the language name == the script name (e.g. in Tamil,
    > Bengali, and many others). Having the items on the left called out at the
    > top as SCRIPTS rather than LANGUAGES would probably help with that issue
    > (though some people do not distinguish even when the difference is explained
    > clearly).

    Note, this is not a new page, just an update of an existing. However, your
    comments are good.

    >
    > Of course there is the issue that the UTS does not really seem reference
    > this page, but maybe there is a reference somewhere else that is a bit more
    > of a challenge to find. :-)

    They are linked on http://www.unicode.org/charts/. We can add a link in the UTS.
    Maybe in
    http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/tr10-10.html#Common_Misperceptions -- what
    do you think?

    >
    > MichKa
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@jtcsv.com>
    > To: <unicode@unicode.org>
    > Cc: <bidi@unicode.org>; <indic@unicode.org>
    > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:37 PM
    > Subject: [indic] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)
    >
    >
    > > There are also beta collation charts in:
    > >
    > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/collation/beta/
    > >
    > > Mark
    > > __________________________________
    > > http://www.macchiato.com
    > > ► “Eppur si muove” ◄
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Rick McGowan" <rick@unicode.org>
    > > To: <unicode@unicode.org>
    > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 19:27
    > > Subject: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)
    > >
    > >
    > > > The Unicode Technical Committee would like to announce availability of
    > the
    > > > beta Default Unicode Collation Element Table for UCA 4.0. Feedback is
    > > > invited.
    > > >
    > > > The primary goal of this release is to synchronize the repertoire of
    > > > strings for collation (sorting) with the repertoire of Unicode 4.0. For
    > > > future versions of the Unicode Standard that add characters, there will
    > > > also be versions of the UCA tables with synchronized repertoire.
    > > >
    > > > A small number of additional changes have been made for consistency in
    > > > treatment of new and old characters; however, other changes await
    > working
    > > > with SC22/WG2 so that future versions of ISO 14651 and UCA can be
    > > > synchronized.
    > > >
    > > > The relevant data file is found here:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/allkeys-4.0.0d1.txt
    > > >
    > > > Please also look at the corresponding proposed update version of Unicode
    > > > Technical Standard #10, The Unicode Collation Algorithm:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/tr10-10.html
    > > >
    > > > Due to production difficulties, the beta period for this is quite short;
    > > > comments for this version must be submitted by end of day, August 26,
    > 2003.
    > > > However, comments directed to the next version can be submitted after
    > this
    > > > date. Please submit feedback with the reporting form at:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > Rick McGowan
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >

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