From: Peter Kirk (peter.r.kirk@ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon Aug 18 2003 - 17:07:20 EDT
On 18/08/2003 13:36, Mark Davis wrote:
>I'm sorry that you haven't gotten responses before. I have searched through my
>email archive, and can't find anything like the message, and I don't think it
>was brought up to the UTC formally.
>
>The first one seems odd, and as you say, it would seem to only affect a
>vanishingly small number of characters; since these are final character, one
>presumes there would be subsequent characters that would form a larger
>difference anyway.
>
>Mark
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matitiahu Allouche" <matial@il.ibm.com>
>To: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@jtcsv.com>
>Cc: <unicode@unicode.org>; <bidi@unicode.org>; <indic@unicode.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:08
>Subject: [bidi] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)
>
>
>
>
>>I have submitted the following text on the Unicode Reporting form.
>>
>>This report relates to the collation tables for Hebrew as displayed in
>>http://www.unicode.org/charts/collation/beta/chart_Hebrew.html
>>
>>I have already formulated the following remarks in the past, but no action
>>has been taken, so I repeat them here.
>>
>>1) Precedence of Dagesh over Final/non-Final: in the chart, the presence
>>or absence of Dagesh is a Secundary difference, while Final/non-Final is a
>>Tertiary difference. This is relevant only for letters Kaf and Pe. My
>>gut feeling says that Final/non-Final should have precedence over
>>Dagesh/no-Dagesh.
>>Note that the number of actual cases where this would make a difference is
>>probably *very* small.
>>
>>2) There is something strange in the combinations of Shin with Dagesh and
>>dots: for all other letters, the form without Dagesh sorts before the form
>>with Dagesh. But Shin with Sin/Shin dot sort after their corresponding
>>combinations with Dagesh. I cannot imagine a justification for that.
>>
>>I have submitted those reservations to the Technical Committee 2109 of the
>>SII (Standards Institution of Israel, the Israeli NB), which deals with
>>Hebrew-related standards in IT, and the committee endorsed my point of
>>view. I can ask the committee to send you a confirmation letter if
>>required.
>>
>>I would like to see some action taken on my remarks this time, or at least
>>some justified refutation.
>>
>>
>>Shalom (Regards), Mati
>> Bidi Architect
>> Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
>> IBM Israel
>> Phone: +972 2 5888802 Fax: +972 2 5870333 Mobile: +972 52
>>554160
>>
>>
>>Sent by: bidi-bounce@unicode.org
>>To: <unicode@unicode.org>
>>cc: <bidi@unicode.org>, <indic@unicode.org>
>>Subject: [bidi] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)
>>
>>
>>There are also beta collation charts in:
>>
>>http://www.unicode.org/charts/collation/beta/
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
Mati, I am interested to see that you and SII have been giving attention to collation in Hebrew. I have also been doing so, on the recently set up Unicode Hebrew list (hebrew@unicode.org), as I was also concerned about ordering of shin dots, dagesh etc. I have not yet had any reply to my posting on this subject which I made two days ago. I will forward my posting to you in case you have not seen it.
-- Peter Kirk peter@qaya.org (personal) peterkirk@qaya.org (work) http://www.qaya.org/
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