From: Christopher Fynn (cfynn@gmx.net)
Date: Sat May 29 2004 - 15:35:17 CDT
Peter
You wrote:
<< I am certain that WG2 will not be able to accept any proposal which
has not been made public and on which the user community has not been
given the opportunity to comment. I am copying this to Mike Ksar, WG2
convener, to ensure that he understands the situation.>>
At one time WG2 documents were not publicly available - and many other
ISO working groups and committees do not make any documents and
proposals publicly available. While WG2 is far more open than most
working groups, afaik there is no particular obligation on them make
proposals etc publicly available just as soon as they are received. If
Michael Everson has sent in a revised version of N2746, perhaps the
maintainer has not yet had time to post it to the web?
In your post you go on to suggest that someone may be attempting to
"conceal it from the public" and that " that the proposer is attempting
to deceive the committee". Since you state in your immediatly
preceeding post that "I don't claim to be a member of the user community
myself" I wonder what brought this on? Anyway I hardly think that making
unwarranted and offensive allegations and aspersions is the best way to
convince members of WG2 or UTC that your views on the Phoenician
proposal are reasonable.
- Chris
Peter Kirk wrote:
> I understand that a revised version of "Final proposal for encoding
> the Phoenician script [WG2-N2746R]" has been submitted to the UTC and
> included in the official document register. But this has not
> apparently been made public; it seems to be on a confidential website
> only, and has not appeared (yet, at least) on the official ISO/IEC JTC
> 1/SC 2/WG 2 document register (or for that matter on the proposer's
> personal list of his proposals, http://evertype.com/formal.html).
>
> Will this document be made public? Or is there an intention to conceal
> it from the public, or from the user community of the scripts in
> question? While I understand that certain Unicode internal documents
> may be confidential, is it really in order for a whole proposal to be
> kept confidential?
>
> I am certain that WG2 will not be able to accept any proposal which
> has not been made public and on which the user community has not been
> given the opportunity to comment. I am copying this to Mike Ksar, WG2
> convener, to ensure that he understands the situation.
>
> I will take the opportunity of reminding Mike Ksar that the original
> proposal N2746, http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2746.pdf,
> contained factual errors, in particular the statement in C 2a that no
> contact has been made with members of the user community. In fact
> there had been considerable contact before the proposal was made, as
> well as afterwards, with scholarly users of Phoenician script, as
> documented in part in the archives of the Unicode list, but these
> users have been almost unanimously opposed to the proposal. I trust
> that this error has been corrected in the revised version of the
> proposal. If it has not, that should in itself be sufficient grounds
> for rejection of the proposal on the grounds that the proposer is
> attempting to deceive the committee.
>
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