Re: String name and Character Name

From: Peter Kirk (
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 06:27:31 CST

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    On 26/04/2005 12:27, Erkki Kolehmainen wrote:

    > Peter Kirk wrote:
    >> On 25/04/2005 14:09, Otto Stolz wrote:
    >>> - For localized user interfaces, a semi-official list of localized
    >>> character names would be useful; CLDR is the obvious place for
    >>> this kind of information.
    >> And why should English users be denied in perpetuity the privilege of
    >> an accurate list of names, if this is made possible for other languages?
    > Where CLDR entries exist, they exist also for English.
    Good - but Otto seemed to restrict this to "localized user interfaces",
    in explicit contrast to "user interfaces in English" (in an earlier part
    of his same posting). He wrote:

    > TUS 16.1 suggests to implementors presenting the aliases together with
    > the character names, in user interfaces. I deem this a viable solution
    > for user interfaces in English.

    This is what I consider to be inappropriate, whether or not aliases are
    included. And this is why I am continuing to argue against Otto, and
    express my preference for CLDR names even in English language UIs. And I
    think that Asmus and Ken are on my side here, when they respectively
    wrote that "The intended purpose of the character names... does not
    explicitly include the task of supporting users in identifying
    characters", and that TUS "does not recommend use of Unicode character
    names in user interfaces"; whereas presumably this is the explicit
    purpose of CLDR names, in any language.

    So the next battle is to ensure that these CLDR names in English, rather
    than the Unicode character names, are used in user interfaces even in
    English. It is for this reason that I am pushing for a clear statement
    in TUS that character names should not be used in UIs. It would be good
    if such a statement also included a recommendation that the CLDR names
    should be used.

    Peter Kirk (personal) (work)
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