Re: apostrophes

From: Jukka K. Korpela (
Date: Wed May 24 2006 - 05:08:23 CDT

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    On Wed, 24 May 2006, Otto Stolz wrote:

    > Hello,
    > Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    >> I have never seen any norm or recommendation on it for any language.
    > For German, it is in §95 of the official orthographic rules,
    > <>.

    I'm afraid I wrote unclearly, leaving too much room for interpretation of
    what "it" referred to. (Pronouns considered harmful.)

    What I meant to refer to was rules on deeply nested quotations, i.e.
    quotations containing quotations containing quotations, and perhaps
    with even deeper nesting (with all quotations expressed using quotation

    The rule that you cite, as almost all rules on quotation marks that I have
    seen, discuss simple nesting only: "Steht in einem Text mit
    Anführungszeichen etwas ebenfalls Angeführtes, so kennzeichnet man dies
    durch die so genannten halben Anführungszeichen." There are two example
    sentences, both with simple nesting only.

    As I mentioned, even the rules for simply nested quotations are probably
    hard to find for most languages. For deeper nesting, I'm pretty sure that
    most language and typography authorities or specialists simply never
    thought about it. Would it be appropriate to force a decision on this? In
    fact, the CLDR _structure_ now mandates a particular rule, namely the
    alternation principle.

    So I think "alternate quotation marks" data should be replaced by "inner
    quotation marks" data. Since data on quotation marks needs to be carefully
    checked and corrected anyway, this would be the right moment for a change.
    That would make it reasonably sure that people who decide on the data for
    a locale, as well implementors and other people who use the data, have
    the same idea of what these settings _mean_.

    As regards to alternation in style such as curly quotation marks vs.
    guillements in some languages, it would best be left out at present,
    taking just the one that is recommended for general use in
    computer-generated texts. Actually, such alternatives could be implemented
    as features in "minor locales", selectable by the user after choosing a
    language locale and perhaps a country locale.

    Jukka "Yucca" Korpela,

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