From: Bala (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 08:19:54 CST
Sarves (Sri Lanka)-----------
We can't compare U+002E and U+0BF3. Because, U+002E doesn't have any defined meaning – it's an ambiguous character (http://unicode.org/reports/tr29/tr29-6.html). Therefore it can be used to represent anything.
But if you take U+0BF3, it has a defined meaning (The Day sign).
So I don't know whether it is good to use U+0BF3 for Civamayam?
In Tamil we have the 0B83 (ஃ ) which is used in text. As well when we write a Tamil equation we write like follows
ப = 5
ம = 10
ஃ ப + ம = 15
Here the is ஃ is used as meaning of “there for”. Around 1960-1970 lots of Tamil mathematics books were printed. This is same character but according to the place it will get the different meaning. There for we do not says that ஃ is a ambiguous character.
I feel civamayam and day sign is in similar category *now*. But I have a feeling there is a slight different in shape. If we manage to find the different it’s better we get a different code point. Else Unicode have to give a solution.
From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Sarves K
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Doug Ewell
Cc: Unicode Mailing List
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Tamil C(S)ivamayam
On 11/7/07, Doug Ewell <email@example.com> wrote:
Bala (Sri Lanka) wrote:
> The civamayam is very commonly used in Tamil text. In present days
> compare to day sign and Tamil number 2, the civamayam symbol used very
> frequently. This been used in start of books, almost 90% of the Tamil
> wedding cards and so on.
> But when I am looking at the shape I cannot see the difference between
> Tamil day sign and civamayam.
Neither can I, though both are clearly different from the digit 2.
> (1) Why there is no code point to the civamayam symbol in Unicode?
> Is that because of the same/similar glyph?
Perhaps. Has anyone ever proposed encoding it separately? Is it
encoded separately in any other coded character encoding?
> Or Tamils missed out to list to Unicode?
I wouldn't recommend going down this path.
> (2) Are we expected to use the 0BF3 – Tamil Day sign for civamayam
> as well?
In American English, the same coded character, U+002E, is used:
* as a sentence terminator
* as a marker for certain abbreviations
* as a decimal separator
* as part of an ellipsis indicating continuation
* as a separator between parts of a URL or IP address
* as part of a "dotted leader" in a table of contents
* and probably for other purposes as well.
If you wish to propose disunifying the civamayam symbol from U+0BF3, you
will probably need to explain how that situation differs from the U+002E
-- Doug Ewell * Fullerton, California, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14 NEW E-MAIL --> dewell at roadrunner dot com NEW URL --> http://home.roadrunner.com/~dewell http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages ˆ We can't compare U+002E and U+0BF3. Because, U+002E doesn't have any defined meaning – it's an ambiguous character (http://unicode.org/reports/tr29/tr29-6.html). Therefore it can be used to represent anything. But if you take U+0BF3, it has a defined meaning (The Day sign). So I don't know whether it is good to use U+0BF3 for Civamayam? Thanks, Sarves (Sri Lanka)
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