RE: Re: Tamil C(S)ivamayam

From: Bala (bala@cse.mrt.ac.lk)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 08:19:54 CST

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    Sarves (Sri Lanka)-----------

    We can't compare U+002E and U+0BF3. Because, U+002E doesn't have any defined meaning – it's an ambiguous character (http://unicode.org/reports/tr29/tr29-6.html). Therefore it can be used to represent anything.

    But if you take U+0BF3, it has a defined meaning (The Day sign).

    So I don't know whether it is good to use U+0BF3 for Civamayam?

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    In Tamil we have the 0B83 (ஃ ) which is used in text. As well when we write a Tamil equation we write like follows

     ப = 5

    ம = 10

    ஃ ப + ம = 15

    Here the is ஃ is used as meaning of “there for”. Around 1960-1970 lots of Tamil mathematics books were printed. This is same character but according to the place it will get the different meaning. There for we do not says that ஃ is a ambiguous character.

    I feel civamayam and day sign is in similar category *now*. But I have a feeling there is a slight different in shape. If we manage to find the different it’s better we get a different code point. Else Unicode have to give a solution.

    Thank you

    Bala

     

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    On 11/7/07, Doug Ewell <dewell@roadrunner.com> wrote:

    Bala (Sri Lanka) wrote:

    > The civamayam is very commonly used in Tamil text. In present days
    > compare to day sign and Tamil number 2, the civamayam symbol used very
    > frequently. This been used in start of books, almost 90% of the Tamil
    > wedding cards and so on.
    >
    > But when I am looking at the shape I cannot see the difference between
    > Tamil day sign and civamayam.

    Neither can I, though both are clearly different from the digit 2.

    > (1) Why there is no code point to the civamayam symbol in Unicode?
    > Is that because of the same/similar glyph?

    Perhaps. Has anyone ever proposed encoding it separately? Is it
    encoded separately in any other coded character encoding?

    > Or Tamils missed out to list to Unicode?

    I wouldn't recommend going down this path.

    > (2) Are we expected to use the 0BF3 – Tamil Day sign for civamayam
    > as well?

    In American English, the same coded character, U+002E, is used:

    * as a sentence terminator
    * as a marker for certain abbreviations
    * as a decimal separator
    * as part of an ellipsis indicating continuation
    * as a separator between parts of a URL or IP address
    * as part of a "dotted leader" in a table of contents
    * and probably for other purposes as well.

    If you wish to propose disunifying the civamayam symbol from U+0BF3, you
    will probably need to explain how that situation differs from the U+002E
    situation.

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    We can't compare U+002E and U+0BF3. Because, U+002E doesn't have any defined meaning – it's an ambiguous character (http://unicode.org/reports/tr29/tr29-6.html). Therefore it can be used to represent anything.   
    But if you take U+0BF3, it has a defined meaning (The Day sign).  
    So I don't know whether it is good to use U+0BF3 for Civamayam?
    Thanks, 
    Sarves (Sri Lanka)
     
    


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