From: Javier SOLA (email@example.com)
Date: Wed Dec 19 2007 - 22:03:38 CST
Interesting paradigm... to take the name of the God from the Gregorian
Calendar, but not the name of his representative Pope Gregory...
Ed Trager wrote
> I forgot to add that the default should be CE/BCE precisely because it
> is religiously neutral as the religioustolerance.org article points
> AD/BC may still enjoy greater usage since in the end users are free to
> do whatever they want with CLDR, but if CE/BCE became the default, at
> least no one could accuse CLDR of having a hidden agenda or Western
> imperialist tendancy ...
> - Ed Trager
> On Dec 19, 2007 9:15 PM, Ed Trager <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> Am 19.12.2007 um 19:58 schrieb John Hudson:
>>>> While I agree that BCE and CE should be *added* to CLDR, I don't agree
>>>> that BC and AD are best removed, because they are the preferred terms
>>>> of a very significant user community. CLDR should reflect the usage,
>>>> and that includes both BC/AD and BCE/CE.
>>> I join this statement.
>>> Whatever your beliefs are, one cannot deny the simple fact that the
>>> Gregorian calender is of christian origin. I am far from being a
>>> christian propagandist, but I don't see any point in making attempts
>>> for ideological cleansing of language, as was common practice under the
>>> communist dictatorship of dubious and questionable memory (M. Everson
>>> quite reasonably pointed at that).
>> I don't think anyone has the intention of denying the Christian origin
>> of the Gregorian calendar. Nor do I believe there is an attempt at
>> ideological cleansing. The interest in adding CE/BCE as an alternate
>> pair for era notation is rather based on acknowledgment of a current
>> socio-linguistic phenomenon: the use of CE/BCE has already gained wide
>> acceptance in the United States, among scholars world-wide, and
>> apparently also in English-speaking Canada.
>> The article from religioustolerance.org mentioned earlier in this
>> thread (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ceintro.htm) provides fairly
>> good evidence that certain groups of people who are actually quite
>> interested in religion and religious tolerance are those who are
>> promoting this usage the most. I for one find it interesting that it
>> is --perhaps-- not so much the secular humanists who want to use these
>> terms as those who believe deeply in religion and see these terms as a
>> way to better facilitate dialog across differing religious communities
>> in the inter-connected modern world. As the aforementioned article
>> points out:
>> "The world is becoming more integrated financially, politically,
>> socially and religiously. A universal calendar notation is needed.
>> Recall that for every Christian there are about two non-Christians
>> worldwide. References to Christ and to the Judeo-Christian God offend
>> many of the latter. A universal notation needs to be religiously
>> neutral in order to be generally accepted. CE and BCE meet these
>> Happy holidays to all -- Ed Trager
>>> Merry christmas (or should I more correctly say: 'merry x-y-z-mas –? )
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