From: Ed Trager (email@example.com)
Date: Wed Dec 19 2007 - 20:20:05 CST
I forgot to add that the default should be CE/BCE precisely because it
is religiously neutral as the religioustolerance.org article points
AD/BC may still enjoy greater usage since in the end users are free to
do whatever they want with CLDR, but if CE/BCE became the default, at
least no one could accuse CLDR of having a hidden agenda or Western
imperialist tendancy ...
- Ed Trager
On Dec 19, 2007 9:15 PM, Ed Trager <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Am 19.12.2007 um 19:58 schrieb John Hudson:
> > > While I agree that BCE and CE should be *added* to CLDR, I don't agree
> > > that BC and AD are best removed, because they are the preferred terms
> > > of a very significant user community. CLDR should reflect the usage,
> > > and that includes both BC/AD and BCE/CE.
> > I join this statement.
> > Whatever your beliefs are, one cannot deny the simple fact that the
> > Gregorian calender is of christian origin. I am far from being a
> > christian propagandist, but I don't see any point in making attempts
> > for ideological cleansing of language, as was common practice under the
> > communist dictatorship of dubious and questionable memory (M. Everson
> > quite reasonably pointed at that).
> I don't think anyone has the intention of denying the Christian origin
> of the Gregorian calendar. Nor do I believe there is an attempt at
> ideological cleansing. The interest in adding CE/BCE as an alternate
> pair for era notation is rather based on acknowledgment of a current
> socio-linguistic phenomenon: the use of CE/BCE has already gained wide
> acceptance in the United States, among scholars world-wide, and
> apparently also in English-speaking Canada.
> The article from religioustolerance.org mentioned earlier in this
> thread (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ceintro.htm) provides fairly
> good evidence that certain groups of people who are actually quite
> interested in religion and religious tolerance are those who are
> promoting this usage the most. I for one find it interesting that it
> is --perhaps-- not so much the secular humanists who want to use these
> terms as those who believe deeply in religion and see these terms as a
> way to better facilitate dialog across differing religious communities
> in the inter-connected modern world. As the aforementioned article
> points out:
> "The world is becoming more integrated financially, politically,
> socially and religiously. A universal calendar notation is needed.
> Recall that for every Christian there are about two non-Christians
> worldwide. References to Christ and to the Judeo-Christian God offend
> many of the latter. A universal notation needs to be religiously
> neutral in order to be generally accepted. CE and BCE meet these
> Happy holidays to all -- Ed Trager
> > Merry christmas (or should I more correctly say: 'merry x-y-z-mas –? )
> > A:S
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