CLDR Usage of Gregorian Calendar Era Terms: BC and AD -- Can we please have "CE" and "BCE" ?

From: Ed Trager (ed.trager@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 19 2007 - 20:15:53 CST

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     Am 19.12.2007 um 19:58 schrieb John Hudson:
    > > While I agree that BCE and CE should be *added* to CLDR, I don't agree
    > > that BC and AD are best removed, because they are the preferred terms
    > > of a very significant user community. CLDR should reflect the usage,
    > > and that includes both BC/AD and BCE/CE.

    > I join this statement.
    > Whatever your beliefs are, one cannot deny the simple fact that the
    > Gregorian calender is of christian origin. I am far from being a
    > christian propagandist, but I don't see any point in making attempts
    > for ideological cleansing of language, as was common practice under the
    > communist dictatorship of dubious and questionable memory (M. Everson
    > quite reasonably pointed at that).

    I don't think anyone has the intention of denying the Christian origin
    of the Gregorian calendar. Nor do I believe there is an attempt at
    ideological cleansing. The interest in adding CE/BCE as an alternate
    pair for era notation is rather based on acknowledgment of a current
    socio-linguistic phenomenon: the use of CE/BCE has already gained wide
    acceptance in the United States, among scholars world-wide, and
    apparently also in English-speaking Canada.

    The article from religioustolerance.org mentioned earlier in this
    thread (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ceintro.htm) provides fairly
    good evidence that certain groups of people who are actually quite
    interested in religion and religious tolerance are those who are
    promoting this usage the most. I for one find it interesting that it
    is --perhaps-- not so much the secular humanists who want to use these
    terms as those who believe deeply in religion and see these terms as a
    way to better facilitate dialog across differing religious communities
    in the inter-connected modern world. As the aforementioned article
    points out:

      "The world is becoming more integrated financially, politically,
    socially and religiously. A universal calendar notation is needed.
    Recall that for every Christian there are about two non-Christians
    worldwide. References to Christ and to the Judeo-Christian God offend
    many of the latter. A universal notation needs to be religiously
    neutral in order to be generally accepted. CE and BCE meet these
    requirements."

    Happy holidays to all -- Ed Trager

    > Merry christmas (or should I more correctly say: 'merry x-y-z-mas –? )
    > A:S
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